Stephanie Roth

So therefore, if we're sitting at,

5%, that's a much riskier environment than what it would have been.

Yeah, I think that's fair.

And I guess that is the risk in the future, that we end up with a structural shift higher.

Because before it was a backdrop where globalization and manufacturing helped to sort of bring the economy into today.

We're a much more developed economy than we were, of course.

that's the risk that we see into the future, that we end up with a structurally slightly higher unemployment rate.

But I'm not convinced that it will end up being quite that.

I think there's an environment where you end up with job gains as a result.

So I think what's driving markets is, of course, AI, and that kind of is required to continue moving ahead in order for the U.S.

economy to be okay.

If tech cap-backs started to slow down materially as a result of AI, there was a, for whatever reason, they decided the return on that investment wasn't quite as high, the U.S.

economy would still be okay.

We're not at a place where AI is so ingrained and important to the economy that if those dynamics were to change, the economy would be in big trouble.

We estimate that the domestic share of AI-related CapEx is at 1.5% of GDP.

Housing is a little over three, so it's not that ingrained yet.

In a couple of years, if this continues at the pace, then the conversation is different.