Stephen A. Smith

And who tries to, I mean, as again, as Murdoch has established sort of an independent voice and power base that is not just fealty to the president.

And who tries to, I mean, as again, as Murdoch has established sort of an independent voice and power base that is not just fealty to the president.

It is an ecosystem grown in opposition. Are they the dog that caught the car and what do they do with that? I think it's going to be a big question going forward.

It is an ecosystem grown in opposition. Are they the dog that caught the car and what do they do with that? I think it's going to be a big question going forward.

It is going to be really confusing to watch for us.

It is going to be really confusing to watch for us.

That is a good summary of where we are in the media world. Ben Smith, thank you so much for this great conversation. It's always good to talk to you.

That is a good summary of where we are in the media world. Ben Smith, thank you so much for this great conversation. It's always good to talk to you.

Thanks for having me on, Dan.

Thanks for having me on, Dan.

We also know this is just the beginning. If Doge attacks USAID today, then you can be sure they'll move on to another target tomorrow. Who knows? Maybe it'll be the Postal Service or the IRS or even the Social Security Administration. They could be next. Or maybe our national security agencies.

We also know this is just the beginning. If Doge attacks USAID today, then you can be sure they'll move on to another target tomorrow. Who knows? Maybe it'll be the Postal Service or the IRS or even the Social Security Administration. They could be next. Or maybe our national security agencies.

We also know this is just the beginning. If Doge attacks USAID today, then you can be sure they'll move on to another target tomorrow. Who knows? Maybe it'll be the Postal Service or the IRS or even the Social Security Administration. They could be next. Or maybe our national security agencies.

Yeah, there's no, there's zero impact on public benefit programs, full stop as OMB has made clear. And I just want to, but I want to really drill down on this Jake because it's so important. There's 2 million employees in the federal government. Overwhelmingly, the career federal service in this country is far left, left wing. The American people... I don't know that to be a fact.

Yeah, there's no, there's zero impact on public benefit programs, full stop as OMB has made clear. And I just want to, but I want to really drill down on this Jake because it's so important. There's 2 million employees in the federal government. Overwhelmingly, the career federal service in this country is far left, left wing. The American people... I don't know that to be a fact.

Yeah, there's no, there's zero impact on public benefit programs, full stop as OMB has made clear. And I just want to, but I want to really drill down on this Jake because it's so important. There's 2 million employees in the federal government. Overwhelmingly, the career federal service in this country is far left, left wing. The American people... I don't know that to be a fact.

Well, I'll give you a great example. We looked at USAID as an example. 98% of the workforce... Either donated to Kamala Harris or another left-wing candidate, just as an example.

Well, I'll give you a great example. We looked at USAID as an example. 98% of the workforce... Either donated to Kamala Harris or another left-wing candidate, just as an example.

Well, I'll give you a great example. We looked at USAID as an example. 98% of the workforce... Either donated to Kamala Harris or another left-wing candidate, just as an example.

Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa. Did you just say that saying someone voted for Kamala Harris is demonizing them? No, your suggestion is that there's a bias. No, but you used the word demonizing. You just said that I'm demonizing somebody by saying they voted for Kamala Harris. Let's get back on track. I am on track. Let me stay on track. What I'm saying to you is this.