Stephen Dubner

Garfinkel is talking about Mike McDaniel, the Dolphins head coach.

That is Jason Kelsey. When we spoke with him in 2023, Kelsey was a longtime member of the Philadelphia Eagles. He played center, the anchor of the offensive line, and he was considered one of the best players at that position in years. In March of last year, Kelsey announced his retirement.

That is Jason Kelsey. When we spoke with him in 2023, Kelsey was a longtime member of the Philadelphia Eagles. He played center, the anchor of the offensive line, and he was considered one of the best players at that position in years. In March of last year, Kelsey announced his retirement.

That is Jason Kelsey. When we spoke with him in 2023, Kelsey was a longtime member of the Philadelphia Eagles. He played center, the anchor of the offensive line, and he was considered one of the best players at that position in years. In March of last year, Kelsey announced his retirement.

He's also the brother of Travis Kelsey, who plays tight end for the Kansas City Chiefs and who may wind up being the best player at his position in history. The brothers played against each other in the 2023 Super Bowl, the Kelsey Bowl, some people called it. Travis's Chiefs won. Since we spoke with Jason Kelsey for this episode, the brothers' public profile has only increased.

He's also the brother of Travis Kelsey, who plays tight end for the Kansas City Chiefs and who may wind up being the best player at his position in history. The brothers played against each other in the 2023 Super Bowl, the Kelsey Bowl, some people called it. Travis's Chiefs won. Since we spoke with Jason Kelsey for this episode, the brothers' public profile has only increased.

He's also the brother of Travis Kelsey, who plays tight end for the Kansas City Chiefs and who may wind up being the best player at his position in history. The brothers played against each other in the 2023 Super Bowl, the Kelsey Bowl, some people called it. Travis's Chiefs won. Since we spoke with Jason Kelsey for this episode, the brothers' public profile has only increased.

They signed a huge podcast deal. They appear in what seems to be pretty much every commercial you see on TV. And Travis continued his very public romance with Taylor Swift. Oh, and the Chiefs won another Super Bowl and are going for their third in a row this week. Once again, they're playing the Eagles. Back then, I asked Jason about his Super Bowl experiences.

They signed a huge podcast deal. They appear in what seems to be pretty much every commercial you see on TV. And Travis continued his very public romance with Taylor Swift. Oh, and the Chiefs won another Super Bowl and are going for their third in a row this week. Once again, they're playing the Eagles. Back then, I asked Jason about his Super Bowl experiences.

They signed a huge podcast deal. They appear in what seems to be pretty much every commercial you see on TV. And Travis continued his very public romance with Taylor Swift. Oh, and the Chiefs won another Super Bowl and are going for their third in a row this week. Once again, they're playing the Eagles. Back then, I asked Jason about his Super Bowl experiences.

He was a key part of the Eagles team that won Super Bowl 52 in 2018. And then there was his second one against the Chiefs a few years later.

He was a key part of the Eagles team that won Super Bowl 52 in 2018. And then there was his second one against the Chiefs a few years later.

He was a key part of the Eagles team that won Super Bowl 52 in 2018. And then there was his second one against the Chiefs a few years later.

For better or worse, or it could be either?

For better or worse, or it could be either?

For better or worse, or it could be either?

Did you feel you were able to do that in this past year's Super Bowl?

Did you feel you were able to do that in this past year's Super Bowl?

Did you feel you were able to do that in this past year's Super Bowl?

Did losing a Super Bowl add to your wanting to come back or subtract to wanting to come back?