Stephen Dubner

And if you can, someone else too. Freakonomics Radio is produced by Stitcher and Renbud Radio. This episode was produced by Ryan Kelly and updated by Dalvin Abouaji and Tao Jacobs.

And if you can, someone else too. Freakonomics Radio is produced by Stitcher and Renbud Radio. This episode was produced by Ryan Kelly and updated by Dalvin Abouaji and Tao Jacobs.

And if you can, someone else too. Freakonomics Radio is produced by Stitcher and Renbud Radio. This episode was produced by Ryan Kelly and updated by Dalvin Abouaji and Tao Jacobs.

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The Freakonomics Radio network staff also includes Alina Kullman, Augusta Chapman, Eleanor Osborne, Ellen Frankman, Elsa Hernandez, Gabriel Roth, Greg Rippin, Jasmine Klinger, Jeremy Johnston, John Schnarz, Morgan Levy, Neil Carruth, Sarah Lilly, and Zach Lipinski. You can find our entire archive on any podcast app, or at freeconomics.com, where we also publish transcripts and show notes.

The Freakonomics Radio network staff also includes Alina Kullman, Augusta Chapman, Eleanor Osborne, Ellen Frankman, Elsa Hernandez, Gabriel Roth, Greg Rippin, Jasmine Klinger, Jeremy Johnston, John Schnarz, Morgan Levy, Neil Carruth, Sarah Lilly, and Zach Lipinski. You can find our entire archive on any podcast app, or at freeconomics.com, where we also publish transcripts and show notes.

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Our theme song is Mr. Fortune by the Hitchhikers. Our composer is Luis Guerra. As always, thanks for listening. How'd you bowl today, by the way?

Our theme song is Mr. Fortune by the Hitchhikers. Our composer is Luis Guerra. As always, thanks for listening. How'd you bowl today, by the way?

A poor carpenter blames his tools.

A poor carpenter blames his tools.

A poor carpenter blames his tools.

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Hey there, it's Stephen Dubner. Before today's show, two quick things. Number one, on February 13th, we are putting on a live Freakonomics radio show in Los Angeles. Come see us. As of this recording, there are some tickets left, but not many. So don't dawdle. Go to Freakonomics.com slash live shows, one word, to get tickets.

Hey there, it's Stephen Dubner. Before today's show, two quick things. Number one, on February 13th, we are putting on a live Freakonomics radio show in Los Angeles. Come see us. As of this recording, there are some tickets left, but not many. So don't dawdle. Go to Freakonomics.com slash live shows, one word, to get tickets.

Hey there, it's Stephen Dubner. Before today's show, two quick things. Number one, on February 13th, we are putting on a live Freakonomics radio show in Los Angeles. Come see us. As of this recording, there are some tickets left, but not many. So don't dawdle. Go to Freakonomics.com slash live shows, one word, to get tickets.

And number two, we need your voice for an episode that we are in the middle of producing. It's about sludge, not the physical sludge that gunks up machinery and things like that. I am talking about the administrative and bureaucratic sludge that can make it hard to do simple things like cancel a subscription or pick the best health care coverage or sign up for some government service.

And number two, we need your voice for an episode that we are in the middle of producing. It's about sludge, not the physical sludge that gunks up machinery and things like that. I am talking about the administrative and bureaucratic sludge that can make it hard to do simple things like cancel a subscription or pick the best health care coverage or sign up for some government service.