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Stephen Dubner

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7195 total appearances

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Freakonomics Radio
620. Why Don’t Running Backs Get Paid Anymore?

An elite running back in the NFL can still make millions of dollars, but keep in mind that A, running back careers are short, and B, many of your teammates will be making more millions than you. So what are your options? You could stage a holdout.

Freakonomics Radio
620. Why Don’t Running Backs Get Paid Anymore?

That's what both Saquon Barkley and Josh Jacobs did in 2023, sitting out training camp after being franchise tagged by their respective teams, the New York Giants and the Las Vegas Raiders. Both of them left their teams at the end of the season, and both have prospered with their new teams, Barkley with the Eagles and Jacobs with the Green Bay Packers. But a holdout doesn't always go as planned.

Freakonomics Radio
620. Why Don’t Running Backs Get Paid Anymore?

That's what both Saquon Barkley and Josh Jacobs did in 2023, sitting out training camp after being franchise tagged by their respective teams, the New York Giants and the Las Vegas Raiders. Both of them left their teams at the end of the season, and both have prospered with their new teams, Barkley with the Eagles and Jacobs with the Green Bay Packers. But a holdout doesn't always go as planned.

Freakonomics Radio
620. Why Don’t Running Backs Get Paid Anymore?

That's what both Saquon Barkley and Josh Jacobs did in 2023, sitting out training camp after being franchise tagged by their respective teams, the New York Giants and the Las Vegas Raiders. Both of them left their teams at the end of the season, and both have prospered with their new teams, Barkley with the Eagles and Jacobs with the Green Bay Packers. But a holdout doesn't always go as planned.

Freakonomics Radio
620. Why Don’t Running Backs Get Paid Anymore?

In 2018, Pittsburgh Steelers running back Le'Veon Bell, one of the best backs in the league at the time, held out for the entire season rather than play under a franchise tag. Here again is Brian Burke, the ESPN data scientist.

Freakonomics Radio
620. Why Don’t Running Backs Get Paid Anymore?

In 2018, Pittsburgh Steelers running back Le'Veon Bell, one of the best backs in the league at the time, held out for the entire season rather than play under a franchise tag. Here again is Brian Burke, the ESPN data scientist.

Freakonomics Radio
620. Why Don’t Running Backs Get Paid Anymore?

In 2018, Pittsburgh Steelers running back Le'Veon Bell, one of the best backs in the league at the time, held out for the entire season rather than play under a franchise tag. Here again is Brian Burke, the ESPN data scientist.

Freakonomics Radio
620. Why Don’t Running Backs Get Paid Anymore?

He got a big money contract with the Jets, but then he wasn't very good there. Then his career was kind of over. What would you have advised him when he was doing really well with the Steelers on his rookie contract?

Freakonomics Radio
620. Why Don’t Running Backs Get Paid Anymore?

He got a big money contract with the Jets, but then he wasn't very good there. Then his career was kind of over. What would you have advised him when he was doing really well with the Steelers on his rookie contract?

Freakonomics Radio
620. Why Don’t Running Backs Get Paid Anymore?

He got a big money contract with the Jets, but then he wasn't very good there. Then his career was kind of over. What would you have advised him when he was doing really well with the Steelers on his rookie contract?

Freakonomics Radio
620. Why Don’t Running Backs Get Paid Anymore?

And it's usually the Jets, to be honest. He found that one for sure. Bell's agent at the time was Jeffrey Whitney, who we heard from earlier. He told us he didn't want to discuss the Bell situation. Beyond a holdout, what other options are available to dissatisfied running backs?

Freakonomics Radio
620. Why Don’t Running Backs Get Paid Anymore?

And it's usually the Jets, to be honest. He found that one for sure. Bell's agent at the time was Jeffrey Whitney, who we heard from earlier. He told us he didn't want to discuss the Bell situation. Beyond a holdout, what other options are available to dissatisfied running backs?

Freakonomics Radio
620. Why Don’t Running Backs Get Paid Anymore?

And it's usually the Jets, to be honest. He found that one for sure. Bell's agent at the time was Jeffrey Whitney, who we heard from earlier. He told us he didn't want to discuss the Bell situation. Beyond a holdout, what other options are available to dissatisfied running backs?

Freakonomics Radio
620. Why Don’t Running Backs Get Paid Anymore?

A few years ago, there was an attempt at creating a carve-out, a running back-specific labor designation proposed by a group called the International Brotherhood of Professional Running Backs. They petitioned the NLRB, the National Labor Relations Board, for what labor lawyers call a unit clarification. They argued that the unique physical demands of the running back position were

Freakonomics Radio
620. Why Don’t Running Backs Get Paid Anymore?

A few years ago, there was an attempt at creating a carve-out, a running back-specific labor designation proposed by a group called the International Brotherhood of Professional Running Backs. They petitioned the NLRB, the National Labor Relations Board, for what labor lawyers call a unit clarification. They argued that the unique physical demands of the running back position were

Freakonomics Radio
620. Why Don’t Running Backs Get Paid Anymore?

A few years ago, there was an attempt at creating a carve-out, a running back-specific labor designation proposed by a group called the International Brotherhood of Professional Running Backs. They petitioned the NLRB, the National Labor Relations Board, for what labor lawyers call a unit clarification. They argued that the unique physical demands of the running back position were

Freakonomics Radio
620. Why Don’t Running Backs Get Paid Anymore?

set them apart from other football players and that they should therefore be allowed to break away from the NFL Players Union and negotiate on their own. A clever idea, maybe, but the NLRB rejected their request. I asked Robert Smith, the former Vikings running back, what he thought of this idea.

Freakonomics Radio
620. Why Don’t Running Backs Get Paid Anymore?

set them apart from other football players and that they should therefore be allowed to break away from the NFL Players Union and negotiate on their own. A clever idea, maybe, but the NLRB rejected their request. I asked Robert Smith, the former Vikings running back, what he thought of this idea.

Freakonomics Radio
620. Why Don’t Running Backs Get Paid Anymore?

set them apart from other football players and that they should therefore be allowed to break away from the NFL Players Union and negotiate on their own. A clever idea, maybe, but the NLRB rejected their request. I asked Robert Smith, the former Vikings running back, what he thought of this idea.

Freakonomics Radio
620. Why Don’t Running Backs Get Paid Anymore?

So if carve outs and holdouts aren't the answer, how about a good old fashioned running back Zoom call? In 2023, Austin Eckler, now with the Washington Commanders, organized a Zoom with other top running backs, including Barkley, Jacobs, Christian McCaffrey, and Nick Chubb, to discuss the state of their position. Right now, there's really nothing we can do, Chubb said afterward.