Stephen Dubner

So Zhao's solution was to poison the system that was causing this trouble.

So Zhao's solution was to poison the system that was causing this trouble.

So Zhao's solution was to poison the system that was causing this trouble.

They came up with two poisoning tools, one called Glaze, the other Nightshade.

They came up with two poisoning tools, one called Glaze, the other Nightshade.

They came up with two poisoning tools, one called Glaze, the other Nightshade.

Can you just talk about the leverage and power that these AI companies have and how they've been able to amass that leverage?

Can you just talk about the leverage and power that these AI companies have and how they've been able to amass that leverage?

Can you just talk about the leverage and power that these AI companies have and how they've been able to amass that leverage?

Well, it took a while to get there, right? Napster really thrived for several years before it got shut down. Right, exactly. But in that case, you're saying that the people who not necessarily generated but owned or licensed the content were established and rich enough themselves so that they could fight back against the intruders.

Well, it took a while to get there, right? Napster really thrived for several years before it got shut down. Right, exactly. But in that case, you're saying that the people who not necessarily generated but owned or licensed the content were established and rich enough themselves so that they could fight back against the intruders.

Well, it took a while to get there, right? Napster really thrived for several years before it got shut down. Right, exactly. But in that case, you're saying that the people who not necessarily generated but owned or licensed the content were established and rich enough themselves so that they could fight back against the intruders.

I mean, that has become kind of an ethic of a lot of business in the last 20, 30 years, especially coming out of Silicon Valley. You know, you think about...

I mean, that has become kind of an ethic of a lot of business in the last 20, 30 years, especially coming out of Silicon Valley. You know, you think about...

I mean, that has become kind of an ethic of a lot of business in the last 20, 30 years, especially coming out of Silicon Valley. You know, you think about...

How Travis Kalanick used to talk about Uber, like it's much easier to just go into a big market like New York where something like Uber would be illegal and just let it go, let it get established and then let the city come and sue you after it's established. So better to ask for forgiveness than permission.

How Travis Kalanick used to talk about Uber, like it's much easier to just go into a big market like New York where something like Uber would be illegal and just let it go, let it get established and then let the city come and sue you after it's established. So better to ask for forgiveness than permission.

How Travis Kalanick used to talk about Uber, like it's much easier to just go into a big market like New York where something like Uber would be illegal and just let it go, let it get established and then let the city come and sue you after it's established. So better to ask for forgiveness than permission.

Indeed, the biggest tech firms in the world are all racing one another to the top of the AI mountain. They've all invested heavily in AI and the markets have, so far at least, rewarded them. The share prices of the so-called magnificent seven stocks, Alphabet, Amazon, Apple, Meta, Microsoft, Nvidia, and Tesla, rose more than 60% in 2024.

Indeed, the biggest tech firms in the world are all racing one another to the top of the AI mountain. They've all invested heavily in AI and the markets have, so far at least, rewarded them. The share prices of the so-called magnificent seven stocks, Alphabet, Amazon, Apple, Meta, Microsoft, Nvidia, and Tesla, rose more than 60% in 2024.