Stephen Fry

But of course, what he's doing is turning upside down the sanctimonious Victorian phrase that drink is the curse of the working class.

And that's just one small example.

But he does that in everything.

I think elsewhere in some point in De Profundis, he says, I change the color of things.

And again, here's an example, which again is trivial, but if you expand it, if you extrapolate from it, this is what he means.

At table, he would always, when the waiter came, asked what he would like to drink, he would say, and some yellow wine for me.

because he thought it ridiculous to call white wine white because it wasn't.

He saw that it was yellow.

That is the color white wine is.

And, you know, that's just to say it's just a small thing.

But if you do that to something in a deep area of philosophy where you realize that your culture and your society has misnamed sin, he was a moralist.

And everything that was upside down was that

One of the reasons he was actually found guilty was because they thought Dorian Gray was an immoral book.

It's a morality tale.

And so everything was upside down.

Yes, I mean, he also made the extraordinary point, which Marxists make, you know, about charity, perhaps, but he said the enemy of the slave is the kind slave master.

There's a hint.

I agree.

It is full of it.

And I wanted to read a section here, just a very short bit.