Stephen K. Bannon

But talk to Philip Patrick on the team.

Our next two guests, Sam Faddis and Trita Parsi, have done, I think, a very good job of describing not just who the NME is, but their mindset.

They come at it from two different angles.

Sam Faddis, you spent a couple of decades of your life in service to your country dealing with these guys.

You know how tough they are, how radical they are, how many of them aspire to this radical Islamic theocracy, this martyrdom cult.

We talked a lot about this last week.

You were not surprised at all

of what happened in Islamabad, right?

And you're particularly not surprised about their dug in positions and the fact that they kind of gave us the middle finger when it was over.

And instead of, you know, some of we've had the first meeting and, you know, it's the Revolutionary Guard

could not have been more brutal and up in our grill about what they thought of the United States of America, what they think of our military, what they think of the American people, what they think of what we stand for, sir.

Yeah, obviously I'm not surprised at all.

That's exactly what I think I said was going to happen.

Look, these guys are not defeated.

We keep talking about all the targets we've hit and all of this, and God bless the United States Armed Forces.

I mean that sincerely.

I come from a military family.

They're doing what they were told to do.

It doesn't change the fact that we have not defeated these guys.

It's not just like they don't get it yet.