Stephen K. Bannon

And so the way that these systems have been increasing in capability over and over again, and this one, when you go down all the benchmarks, it just blows away all the other systems, especially in software engineering, on the software engineering benchmarks.

And they do it by...

Yes, crafting the architecture, but they just grow the brain bigger and bigger so that anthropics mythos has 10 trillion parameters, which is basically the equivalent of, say, the synapses, the connections in the brain.

For comparison, GPT-4 had 1 trillion parameters.

GPT-5 probably has something like 4 or 5 trillion parameters.

This has 10 trillion.

The importance of this, Steve, is that the increase in capabilities isn't software engineers sitting and hand coding all of these different capabilities.

This is how you're going to do this.

This is how you're going to do that, as it would have been done, say, 10 years ago.

The way it's done is by growing this digital brain.

They train it on...

essentially as much information is existent in digital form, and then it learns and it develops its own kind of motives.

It develops its own intentions.

And in this case, the intentions and the capabilities include being able to, as you point out, potentially bring down some of the most critical digital infrastructure that we have.

Joe, hang on for one second.

I just want to hold to a commercial break.

I know you got a bolt.

Also got Dr. Thayer.

Root did not come out to the sticks, although the European reporters are reporting.

I think it was a very tough meeting, although Root is very close to President Trump.