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Stephen Kotkin

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

And it's going to be T-shirts at the beginning, like the Japanese, and then they're going to climb the value chain until it's the highest value-added products.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

And then supply chains are going to change as a result, and nothing is made in one place anymore, and the world gets very complicated.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

But the point being is that Deng Xiaoping did that.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

That was intentional.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

That's the credit that the party deserves and the party never gets because it's a story not of the party's rule alone, but of British Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan, United States domestic market.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

And so how do you get rich in the modern world?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

You sell to America.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

Those countries that are partners with America,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

and that are able to compete.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

The Chinese deserve credit.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

They can manufacture higher quality, lower cost products that American consumers will buy.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

American consumers are not forced to buy Chinese products.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

They're just better and they're cheaper.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

And so they buy them because it's a market and there's competition.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

So some countries in Bangladesh can do this in textiles.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

You referenced Bangladesh, which is how I got...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

launched on this reverie that I hope is now ending.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

My point being is that the East Asian miracle, which is Japan selling to the American domestic market, followed by South Korea and Taiwan doing the same trick,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

and then followed by Deng Xiaoping's Communist China, the same exact trick, filtered through British Hong Kong.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

The problem with the Chinese one is that they're not allies.