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Stephen Kotkin

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

So what happens is there's no way for them to open debate and then to put a lid on the debate.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

It becomes a Pandora's box.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

You can't be half communist, half monopoly.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

You either have the monopoly or you don't.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

So every time they liberalize politically...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

the system liquidates itself.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

Hungary in 56, Czechoslovakia in 68, and Gorbachev.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

Had Gorbachev not happened, China might have done its own Gorbachev.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

Had they not seen Gorbachev accidentally liquidate the party, they might have done political reform, opened up the party, and watched the thing unravel.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

Or they would have had it cracked down and put the lid back on, much bigger than the Tiananmen episode in June 1989.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

So they're not going to do political reform because they know from studying the Gorbachev case, which everybody studies in party school,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

which is where all the cadre have to go to be trained.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

They're not going to open up the system politically because that's suicide.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

And they're not going to commit suicide like what happened with Gorbachev.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

So this means their policy options, their menu of policy options is limited.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

They can open up the economy, but if it gets too open and too liberalized, too many people with independent sources of power and wealth, too many Jack Ma's, they lose control potentially.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

So they can open up the system economically, but then they got to somehow reimpose controls.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

But if they reimpose too much controls, the GDP goes down and they don't have the job creation.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

So you have this constant back and forth of how much economic liberalization you can have before it becomes a threat or how little economic liberalization you can have before it becomes a threat to your ability to create jobs and wealth.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

So that's the dilemma they're in.