Stephen Scoggins

And lo and behold, it did.

It did.

He's been sober for 35 plus years.

Fantastic grandfather and the whole deal, man.

Yeah.

But the intention behind

Yeah.

How much of that intention cycles into self-sabotage?

Well...

To me, if you have a focused intention, you're intentionally choosing a direction where self-sabotage appears to be a lot more subconscious.

Yeah.

At least for me, you know, I again.

we didn't get a chance to super connect just one-on-one, but you know, part of my backstory is, you know, overcoming homelessness and some other things to kind of get where I'm at today.

And it was something in the book that you mentioned, I thought was pretty powerful and it was a huge shift for me, which is one of the reasons I wanted to bring it up, which is this essence of operating out of history versus operating out of future.

I kept telling myself I was the high school dropout because I had to pay the bills and help the family and all that kind of stuff.

I kept telling myself for a number of years.

And then one of my first mentors, old man, Myra told me, he said, you know,

He said, there's two ways to think.

You can either learn to think like me.

You can learn to think like your dad.