Stephen Shaw

I think every other crisis, we could kind of come up with ideas of solutions, nuclear proliferation.

If you want to go down other avenues in the environment, you could at least have a conversation.

But this one, really, there's no example of a nation that's ever recovered from this.

Well, we've, we've a pretty good idea of what it's not.

Okay.

So that's a good starting point.

The numbers are showing two things that to me are,

really take us down to a much deeper understanding than saying that we've got a birth rate problem.

That's much too generalized.

What are those two things?

Mothers have been remarkable.

I guess fathers too, but we got so much data on mothers.

That's what we talk about.

Do you know that mothers in the US are having more children now than they were in the 80s?

Even mothers in Japan are having the same number of children as in 1970, same across much of Europe.

So once you have your first child, you're actually going on to have two, maybe three children, just as much as your mother's generation, and even in some cases, grandmother.

So it's not about mothers.

Yeah, I mean, this is through incredible shifts in education opportunities for women.

political shifts, cultural shifts, in many parts of the world.

Mothers are, to me, incredibly resilient, and by inference, fathers too.