Stephen Stockwell

But yeah, even as you say, such a long time in this situation, you know, kind of looking at five years from being placed in custody.

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how the courts deal with it if a bail application is made.

Yeah.

Now, Eva, because this trial is a little bit further away, the risk of us prejudicing a new jury is quite low, which means we can get into some of the questions we couldn't answer during the trial.

And there's one that I have thought about a lot since it's been sent in.

It's from Ellen, a social worker in Melbourne.

And we did briefly touch on this during the trial, but we can now talk a bit more kind of expansively about the question Ellen sent through.

They've asked why we use the term tumultuous to describe what sounds like a history of family violence between Cherie Glastonbury and Jeffrey McLean.

Ellen says that language minimizes the victim-survivor's experience of abuse, and it really stood out to her.

Eva, why did we use that language?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We just sort of stuck to what was said in court.

And that language, tumultuous, was what was being used by the prosecution barristers as they were going through their openings.

And, you know, when they were going to the detail around, you know, that police had attended and they'd witnessed bruises on Cherie Glastonbury, we mentioned that.

We made sure that was kind of information that everyone had and

Hopefully giving you enough context to decide on that.

One of the reasons I was trying to be so careful about it as well is because there were no charges that were brought up in court or mentioned in court around Jeffrey McLean and the history of family violence or charges that he had faced in there as well.

In fact, when he had gone to prison, that was something that was mentioned in court.

It was kind of clarified that

that wasn't to do with any kind of domestic violence scenario in court.