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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
So finish the sentence. You're the only person I can blank with.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
She's a reader too. Brother and cousin fucking or whatever. No, they're not related. What? They're not even related. That's not what's happening. After I went on TikTok and I couldn't do it and I took a TikTok recommendation the other day and I'm still pissed about it and it made me sick to my stomach.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
What do you need brutally honest advice about? So answer it for each other. Okay.
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What is one thing the other person needs brutally honest advice about?
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What's one thing you cherish about your friendship? Oh.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous. All right, y'all, welcome back to another episode of Barely Famous podcast. And today we have a long awaited guest, a much asked for guest. Stop it. Are you serious? Dead serious. It's Sterling. Hi. I don't think people remembered me or cared. Oh, no.
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You're a religious girl now. You're not allowed to cuss.
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Can we talk about it? We can. Okay. I have some questions. Yeah. So you try not to cuss. Since I was last here in Dallas, you found your faith.
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I came here for my Dallas show in September.
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But it was only for a couple hours. It wasn't – or it was like a day thing and then you came to my show and then you had to come back home.
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You're like the mom in Mean Girls. Yes. Where she's this mom where they're, like, doing this ho dance. And then you look. And she's just like, yes. You're doing amazing, sweetie. So proud. And I'm getting ticked down in Dallas. And then we make eye contact. And she's like, oh, my gosh, don't cry. Because I can't cry when I'm singing that. Like, we're getting teamed up in Tennessee.
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I don't have time to cry right now. Oh, my gosh.
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Should we sing that again because it's anal in Austin? Okay. It's anal in Austin? Yeah. Getting butt fucked in Boston. Anal in Austin. Tag teamed up in Tennessee. Oh, you listen to that song. No. That's your favorite. Lindsay was the one that told me that song and I've been singing it ever since. Okay. Talking about your faith, you don't cuss.
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And I'm in my zone. I start butchering the chicken breast and I'm cutting off every line, every weird colored thing. And Sterling is like, what the fuck? She didn't cuss. I'm exaggerating. I am like the cusser. I just laugh at everything she says. I'm like mutilating the chicken breast and Sterling is like, what are you doing? You're not the one eating it. Everyone else is eating it.
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Since the last time I was here at your house, you also went through some stuff in your own personal life. You found your faith. How has your life changed since you found your faith?
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When you decided to make changes that – like you're not just going to church, right? Like you have your kids in – Private school. Private school. You are involved in the church. You're involved at the school. So you're not just going to church, right? Like you are fully immersed in religion.
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So with that being said, did you feel like your friendships also had to change? Like not just your toxic relationship but also friendships? Yeah.
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When we talked in Dallas the last time – when I was here in September – It scared me. What scared you? How religious you are. Really? Yeah.
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It scared me because I felt like our... Don't start crying. We're going to cry. Are we going to do this? It scared me because I feel like I don't live my life that way and I probably never will. And I was... Our relationship has had – mine and yours has ebbed and flowed, right?
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Like sometimes we're closer than others based on our family, based on our circumstances, whatever we have going on in life. But I never felt a disconnect from you. Like I always know that I could call you and vice versa, right? Like you could call me at any point and we'd pick up wherever we left off. Yeah. When I realized how –
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Leave it alone. And I'm upset because I don't want any of that on my chicken.
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deep your faith goes at this point i'm thinking okay so that basically means that we can't be friends because i don't live my life like that and you don't agree with it so we're not aligned like we can't like your faith won't allow you to be friends with someone like me or or even just how i live my life right like i i would consider myself part of like the queer community right
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You knew my ex-girlfriend. So like you know that I have not lived a life that is, you know, of the Lord or of God, right? Like I don't even know how to – like what the wording is. So like I – it scared me because I was like, okay, this is where our friendship ends.
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You're like, I fly here and I cook for you.
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Well, that's what I – that's what it felt like. I was just like – Really? Yeah. A conversation in the hotel? Yeah. Stop. Yeah. No. I was like I just don't know how we move forward from here because if I constantly am doing certain things that you don't align with, how can you be friends with someone that you don't align with that much?
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Yeah. No, you don't. Get out. That is a true story. So that was a wild 4th of July party, but you're right. Becky was there.
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Right. Like before we even started recording, I was telling you all this stuff and you go, wow, that's a lot. You didn't really bring it.
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That makes me sad. You know, we had the conversation about someone else. And your beliefs on that was, you know, very different than, you know, where I stand on it. I don't think that we need to air like what it was about.
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Because of those beliefs, would it change the relationship? If that person doesn't live sort of the way that you believe, what does that look like for our friendship and for y'all's relationship? Because what happens when we don't agree on certain things that for me is not necessarily religious, but you don't identify or align with certain things.
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how do we move forward in a really in a friendship right like how do we continue our friendship when we don't and this goes not just for us but like people who are you know when i was married he was grew up catholic and i wasn't religious and that just never was like a point of contention for us and i know for a lot of people it can be whether it's a romantic relationship a friendship a parental child situation like i feel like it kind of goes the same with politics i feel that you when you love somebody in your life you
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We saw each other more that year than we have in the 10 years we've been. Well, it's been longer than 10 years because Lincoln's 11. So I want to take you guys back and tell you the story about how Sterling and I met because that was never clear on the show. And we live in two different states. We always have. So Sterling and I met in person in the Bahamas. Yes. In the Bahamas.
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I just – I think because of how quickly – well, it felt quick to me. Maybe it wasn't quick to you because we don't see each other often. It felt so in-depth, so fast, and I was just like, oh, like the next thing I know, you're going to have to cut me off because that's just how I associate with people with religion in general, not just you.
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deeply religious conversation that we had.
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It just was like, I don't know how it works when you are that religious and have certain beliefs. Like, I don't know how it works. Like, do other people that are religious then cut them off completely? We will say like the queer community, for example.
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I still can't believe you met her. That's crazy. It's the craziest thing I've ever heard all day.
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If you're not familiar with Scentsy, it's an MLM and we got sucked into those and we were on the same team. And so we both earned the trip to the Bahamas. Yes. We go to the Bahamas. We meet in the Atlantis. Yes. Yeah. And we were both with our significant others. They hit it off. They were besties, having a little bromance. And Sterling and I bonded over the trauma. Of our lives.
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So you're not judging. No. Whether they get into heaven or not is not on you.
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You're going to love them while they're here.
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I think that clears up a lot of the feelings that I was having. Yeah.
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Why didn't you call me? Because I don't – how do you say that to someone? I mean, it's me. I know. But I was just like – I think I just have this also – like you were saying, like the perception of so many Christians.
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Yeah. Well, it's probably been like that for a long time.
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That's the Lord's job. I mean, that definitely makes me feel better. Cause I was, I was like, I don't know what this means for our relationship. I don't know what this means for our friendship. Like, are we going to, don't make me cry harder. I love you. I love you too.
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But other than that, I will take that out of the entire conversation. I will do my best in 2025 to not cuss as much. Yeah. It's hard. I still, no, it's hard. It's so hard a couple of times when I am like, it's ingrained in me at this point.
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Okay. I was just wondering why remember the rumor that I fucked your husband and then paid you with a, with cash.
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Never been married. No, because- She did not buy my car. Alessandra was like, she was asking questions about you. And she was like, you know, she has two daughters with her ex, with her husband, her ex-husband. And I was like, no, she's literally never been married. And she's like, but wait. Where did the rumor come from then? And we don't know.
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To this day, we don't know where the rumor started because I've never... And I have been engaged, but that wasn't to the person that they said I was married to. That wasn't the one that I paid... I bought you the car with much money. Because I forgot you've been with both of them. I've been with... Oh, that's right. It was with your fiance as well.
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UFC fighter. UFC fighter. I was... Playing house. Playing house. With your ex-fiance.
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So our significant others would go out, have drinks, shop, do their own thing. And Sterling and I would be like –
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They were like, Kale's sleeping with another one of Sterling's men.
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Because that would be like Tana and Brooke, because Tana brought... Do you know who they are at Tana Mongeau? Yes, I... Yes. She bought Brooke a vehicle. Uh-huh. But you have more money than me, so I wish you would buy me a car. First, okay... I'll take a Bronco.
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Her family, Sterling and her mom, would go every single year with her whole family. I literally started going to the Grammys when I was 11 years old. So I get invited, I think it was year 2014 maybe? 2014.
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So I go to the Grammys with your family.
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I feel like we should redo the Grammys trip. Like I feel like we should go to the next Grammys.
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Network, yeah. Well, so I don't remember the rumors surrounding that situation, but I was very much invited with Sterling and her family. They go every – did your mom still go to that every year? No.
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We could, we did red carpet together, but wait. So we also, we've gone on several vacations. Yeah. Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, California. Have we gone anywhere else? We've been to California a couple of times together. We've been to California a lot.
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We've came here to Dallas before I lived here.
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Yeah, we did. Um, cause I, I was with you the first time I ever had eggs Benedict, um,
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She's a chicken nuggets and french fries kind of girl. Through and through. And you're like, hollandaise sauce is really hard to make. And I will never forget that because it is. It's not good everywhere you go. Have you tried to make it?
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Should we do that? Cooking with kale. No, because I have a cooking with kale segment on Patreon and it's never good. Oh, well, Elijah's mom picked my meal over his the one day. You have a...
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Do you know I saw a video of my ex making it for his girlfriend? The exact same recipe. Not my recipe. Yes. It was Sterling's recipe. I mean, this is like heavy whipping cream. Parmesan. It's like the real ingredients from scratch. With bacon. Yes, because you have to cook the chicken in the bacon grease because that is how all the flavor is there. It's a staple. Look at her. This man...
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Posted a video. You do listen. That's the only thing I listen to.
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Because it's also easy to make. Once there's many more ingredients, I can't do it. But long story short, I see a video right after we break up of him feeding his girlfriend what he knows to be my recipe, which is your recipe. And I'm like... She's out here talking about how good this is, but she doesn't know that I taught him how to make that.
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And then he hated me so much, and I taught you how to make that. Noah is making it for his new girlfriend.
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Sort of planned because I was actively trying. I think you were trying. We were trying. And I miscarried, unfortunately, but we were actively both trying at the same time. And I miscarried on Veterans Day, which I've been open about, so it's like not news. But you went to term, so you have your second daughter. When I saw you again, you were showing.
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We had a small hiatus in our relationship, our friendship, and you stayed friends with like Bone and Quay and, you know, the crew. What do you think was the most challenging part of our relationship? Do you think it was that time when we were butting heads?
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And he didn't like you for whatever reason or would put, you know, the blame on you.
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So – and then you got in a relationship and he didn't like me. And so I think that we were butting heads because I know for a fact like everyone in my life was telling me about that man. Everyone was telling me like, chill out, chill out. There was a time that we dated best friends, cousins.
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We were talking. Okay, basically, you were like canoodling.
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Drake's album about that... Oh, that song reminds me of Becky. Really?
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No, because that's literally what she would do. Yeah. I hope she sees this. Can we get a clip of that? Her little dancey dance. I do think it was like, not immaturity. I won't say it's that, but I think our relationships were, I also think like if there was ever a time that like you would vent to him about me, we would get blamed for the, I don't know.
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I think what it boiled down to is they were a lot alike. I don't think we ever like fell out. I think we just grew apart for a time.
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Actually, Becky and I just had a conversation about... Somebody wrote in.
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They remember and they care. And I think people thought that we had a falling out. And so they were asking for an episode, sort of like a rekindling episode. And I'm like, we were only not friends for a short period. Like three months. And we never had a knockdown drag out. No. It was more of like a... You had pregnancy hormones. And also, I would say toxic relationships. Yes. Were involved.
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There was a scandal with that too. Not a scandal, just drama.
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You're a hundred miles, a thousand miles away. I vaguely remember that now that you're, like, saying it. I sort of remember it, but I... Becky and I just, we recorded this morning before I came here. Somebody wrote in and was saying how she was in, she is, her best friend is in a relationship that is so toxic and she doesn't know where the line is.
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And I said to Becky, like in my, you know, it's not really advice. Just my experience is like, no matter what, I understand why you and bone both had to remove yourselves from my life from that time, because there's nothing that y'all would have said to me that would have made me leave that man.
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I mean, that would be a cute. Could you imagine calling a baby like, hey, Scanny? You know what I mean?
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And the proof was in the pudding. He didn't want to be with me. And he says that now, like he didn't want to be with me and I fought for it and it wasn't fought back. There's just no, nothing you can do when someone is in that relationship. And I don't, I don't ever fault you or get mad at you guys bone either for stepping away at that time, because that is like, if,
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If I was on the other side of it, I would feel the same way.
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Like at some point it's like, am I going to plan a funeral? And sometimes I think at that time, and I said it to Kristen one time, we were in a hotel in Philly. I think it was Philly. Maybe it was somewhere else. And I said, I hope he kills me because I don't want to deal with this anymore, but I don't know how to get out. So I...
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For everybody, not just my situation. No, no, no.
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We're going to reminisce and just cry. Do you know I have trauma with Ferrero Rocher? And the only reason why I love them is because of you. The trauma is my mom left the house for days and left no food. So I found a gift basket that was like 12 years old. 12 is exaggerating. And there was Ferrero Rocher in it. So that's what I ate when there was no food in the house.
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And so I had like trauma with Ferrero Rocher. And then one day you told me they're your favorite candy. So I was like, let me try it. Do you remember that? Yes. You say things every time we're recording that like makes me want to cry for your inner child. Did you not hear that story? No.
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And to me, I'm like, that's regular. You know what I mean? Like that was like, it's just a regular thing. Yeah.
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Chris and I were like, don't tie those. Burn them. Burn them. Well, I tried to get them put in a jar and they wouldn't. They were like, these have to go to pathology, Kayle. I – You would have liked to see them. The concern I have for you is. I feel like you're interested in that stuff.
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Well, we're like – it's like 10 months. Wow. And our birthdays are only like five weeks apart, which is great. Which is so much fun. To switch routes. That's not. Switch gears. Changing gears. All right, y'all. I hope you loved part one of the podcast with Sterling. I know she was highly requested. And because that was recorded before I had surgery, obviously, we're going to be back with part two.
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This is much more lighthearted. It's going to be a lot of fun. So tune in for episode two that airs January 24th.
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I also ate it raw. I'm sorry. You raw? Yes. Was it with the Rio or the twins? It's on my Instagram. I think it was Rio. After painting it? Yeah, she did. She put the edible paint on it, did the little picture. It's like the tree of life. And then we put it in a blender. Yum. Yeah. One of my kids also took a sip willingly. I won't say which one.
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Actually, if it was Rio, one out of five. Fair. Yeah. Elijah wouldn't eat a bite of it though. I did ask him, but he wouldn't. That's rude. I know. I was like, come on. Like you basically created this placenta. This is your, this is my organ with your juices. So like you should. And we know he's had your juices.
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Yeah. Cause they're not, I mean, Rio wasn't even one when the twins were born. Okay. So – Wait. So go back. So we have – Okay. Go back. I have the miscarriage. We go to – you start showing when we see each other again. And I remember like it was one of those times that was like super happy for you because I knew that we were both trying but also sad for me. So I was like sort of grieving the loss.
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But I – Because that's come up on podcasts before. I think a story was written in about how she felt like her friend should have waited to announce her pregnancy or something because she had lost hers. And, you know, I have some empathy for that. And I can understand that. But I never felt that way with you.
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Like, I didn't feel like you shouldn't be able to announce your pregnancy or announce the gender because I lost my baby.
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I had a mommy makeover and thought I wasn't going to have any more kids and then popped out five more. And now I'm here in Dallas also getting surgery. Oh, yeah. No, let's – okay. You want to talk about it? No, I want to talk about that because I have questions. Okay. Can I just tell you one funny story before the surgery thing or do you want me to tell you that after?
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We'll edit out as much of the coughing as possible. Seriously. The last time I was physically at Sterling's house, it was Thanksgiving, was here with my ex, not one of the baby dads. And just to clarify, and I had an ingrown toenail. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. And I did not want him to know that I had an ingrown toenail.
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And I was hiding in this room that we're sitting in, probably sitting in this chair or that one. And Sterling was like, let me get your ingrown toenail. And she was digging at my foot. And he's in the other room. And I'm like, okay, stop. I think he's coming. Like, stop. I'm like, is it ingrown toenail? He's seen your vagina. I don't.
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But I did not want him to see my ingrown toenail, which is a sign that we probably shouldn't have been together to begin with.
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That was his downfall, but also he's up right now. Because you walked all over him, bless his heart. Yeah, I do. I'm open about the regrets I have. I mean, there's no regrets. Y'all just were not compatible. Well, I still could have been a better person.
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So that's what she said. She literally said those words verbatim on the way here.
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Okay, time out. So we called Becky because Sterling said that she met Becky before, and I didn't recall until.
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Yeah, they both, I think, like, mellow, try to, like, manage... Not manage, balance. Balance the, you know, the little crazy in me.
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He's like, all right. I'll come back in a little bit.
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Okay, so surgery. Surgery, okay. I went to my pre-op yesterday, and I thought I was going to get my chin done, but he was like, no, girl, that's skin. He didn't say it like that, but he was like, that's skin. You need to get that laser. That's skin from the weight loss, which is good. And then he also said the same thing for my arms.
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He can't really do anything with my arms right now because it would just be skin sagging. I'm getting a – he's going to merge – My tummy tuck scar from 2016 and my C-section scar so that it's just one scar and it's lower, which is nice. And then he's going to revise where my muscles stretched back out. Alessandra went with me so she could also just confirm anything I'm fucking up.
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And because having five babies after a tummy tuck. It just stretched right back out.
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You can't pull the skin down without taking some fat out. So he's going to remove that and then also take some fat out of my back. So it's a little bit more proportionate because I'm going to like a B, like a B cup.
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He said it. The woman said it really depends on the person. We also got our boobs done at the same time.
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He did say that he does not have to do remove my nipples.
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And the only reason why it jogged my memory was because I had a 4th of July party in – oh, God. I don't even know what year that was. 2016 because I had already had Mila. Okay.
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They can't remove them. Yes, they can. He said that. She was there. She was my witness.
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I'll show you. So they cut around mine. I'll show you. They cut. Just blur this out, but you can leave it in the episode. You see the scar all the way around?
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No, they do. Mine were removed. He said, we don't have to do that this time.
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I think it's called necrosis. It can. I was never able to successfully breastfeed after like i did you had your nipple on a platter yeah basically but he's like we don't have to do that this time like you don't have to worry about it
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I love – and I still do. Like I had a – everyone has a different experience and I'm not here for Dr. Miami slander. Like do not write into me and talk shit about him. I to this day – People don't like him now? Yeah, I think people just don't... Like, if you look him up on the internet, like, people say horrible things. And I'm just like, I cannot speak to anyone else's experience.
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I can only speak to my experience. And... I would have gone to him again. Like if Dr. Dallas didn't work out or he didn't have availability. Oh, are they? I think so. Well, if he would have not had availability, I got into this appointment as fast as I did because they were able to get me in if they couldn't. And Dr. Miami had the availability. I would have went right back to him.
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So you came to Delaware, had a 4th of July party. Becky was there. Quay was there. Bone didn't come that time. No. And we got into an argument because Sterling can throw down in the kitchen. Like – All the feasts are on Sterling. I've been here for Thanksgiving. You've been to my house for Thanksgiving. So it's been – like Sterling can throw down. So you are getting all the chicken prepped.
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So exciting. I'm so excited. And you'll, um, Elijah will be here. So you'll get to see him for briefly.
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So he's going to take care of me. My surgery is at 6.30 in the morning.
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I understand. And it's also a six or seven hour procedure.
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They did tell me, you know, what's the craziest part of this whole thing. We were going over like pre-op care and her name's Polly. And she's like, Casually, like, please make sure that it's three inches or less. Your hair, your pubic hair is three inches or less. And I look at her and I go, three inches. Three inches? Three inches is crazy. Three inches is crazy. You're lying. What? I said, what?
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Three inches? And she's like, you'd be surprised. I said, what do you do? Turn them away? She's like, no, we have to shave them. First of all, I did not know that your hair could grow that long down there. Three inches is crazy. What? I mean, that's like this. That's like someone with a pixie cut. That's bigger than a penis I've been with. You know what I mean? I know who too.
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So I'm cracking up because I'm like three inches or less is crazy. I had to go get all my permanent jewelry cut off yesterday. Permanent jewelry cut off? Yeah, because you can't have jewelry on for the surgery. And I had like permanent jewelry on that I didn't take off. Like anklets, bracelets, necklace. Oh, okay.
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He's agreeable. I think the biggest thing- For better or worse.
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And one of the first things you hear is like, why don't you go ahead and marry the guy? It's costing me a fortune.
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That they're just directly tuned into.
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So who is it? We know it's a woman. Yeah.
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And this like obsession with food, she seems to be obsessed. Like, like you said, all of her memories of the cabin and why she likes it is the popcorn and the s'mores. And it's like, Oh, we need to maybe separate that. From the experience.
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In that moment, I mean, granted, my little guys are still pretty little, but I have an almost four-year-old and a two-year-old. And sometimes, yeah, Gus just goes and pushes his brother down or clocks him in the head with a toy. And I'm like... dude, why did you do that? And at four, he doesn't know why he did it still.
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Because as I'm watching Rebecca say that, I was like, ooh, I saw Mandy there. I saw Mandy. She didn't know this is how she was going to feel four years from now.
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You know, she's sort of like, Rebecca chimes in and is like, you know, the therapist asks her why did she ever really have this conversation with her children about- Right, about his addiction. About his addiction. And she's like, why would I spoil? Like, why would I talk about the one thing that made my husband not perfect? Why would I spoil their memories? They had 17 years with him.
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He's never going to be at Kate's wedding. He's not going to ever meet Randall's children. And then she goes in on Rebecca for using two examples that don't involve Kevin.
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Thank you. Thank you. I watched that too and I was like, I think I just added that. I think you did, but I was like. Because it was sort of like, and that's all I have to say about that.
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Yes, thank you. Brilliant. Well, it's like, I think she was so like put on the defense.
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I just remember filming that scene and feeling that, but coming in so uncomfortable. It's so loaded. You could have cut the tension with a knife.
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I think the way we approached filming that scene too was we did the whole thing in one long take from whatever angle, whatever coverage they were getting. And it was like, we didn't want to do it too much. We didn't want to rehearse it too much or talk about it too much.
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So it's like, it felt like this like... precious thing in the sense that it was alive and we were letting it kind of live and bubble up at certain points. And I, yeah, I just, I remember feeling this like just innate heaviness of what we were there for. not knowing ultimately where it was going to go, but just how sad it was. I don't think it was lost on Rebecca.
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Yes, Jack had a drinking problem, and I'm not sure she ever wanted to admit that there might be a correlation between what Kevin was going through. But man, when Randall lays into him, you're not an addict. If you're addicted to anything, it's attention.
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And then Rebecca explodes. You know, she's sort of like pushed to the brink. And it's like, you know.
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Yeah, that's 20 years that have just been festering inside.
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Listen. It's a breastfeeding mom. I have a child to feed.
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What did I write here? What did you write? That Jack is the saint we'll never know or live up to.
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But then I love, they're all revealing their truths, right? And Miguel comes out with, I married my best friend's wife. And it was like... Record scratch.
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We're doing it. I feel like it was like collectively America was like, oh, finally. Thank you.
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Yeah, and the fact that he's like, they lived through something we will never understand.
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It's the four of them. Bam. And we will always be on the outside because of that.
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Same. I wrote that down. I was like, it seems insurmountable sometimes, but that is how you apologize. Like that is how you take accountability. I was like, oh, I love that that is being modeled to all of us. Cause it was a revelation. I'm sure I felt that way when I saw it initially, but whatever's going on in my life right now or wherever, I was just like, wow, that is how you do that.
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Isn't that fascinating? I mean, we all have siblings and it's just like, it made me think about that. We share this really indelible thing, this experience that no one else understands, but those who lived it. And that's the really remarkable thing about having a sibling. And to have had wildly different experiences. Totally.
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And maybe it's not something that is even, you know, remarked on until you get older. That's right.
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I love that this episode ends too with, you know, because it sort of piggybacks on young Kevin feeling like an outsider, right? He has always felt like the fifth wheel. It's something he admits in therapy. Yeah.
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And she's flustered being put on the spot. It's like wracking her brain trying to figure out a memory.
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So the episode ends with her going to Kevin's room and she's waiting in there for him. And, you know, she admits, she's like, I... Never had to worry, we never had to worry about you. When we drop you off at kindergarten, like your sister was clinging to me, was crying, like Randall, I forget what Randall was doing, but- Something similar. Yeah, sure.
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And you just sort of like purposefully, like just strided into school, didn't look back. And- Your father and I were like, look at our brave boy, like, just doesn't need us, basically. And that just kind of typified exactly who he was throughout his whole life. Like, we never had to worry about you. You seemingly had it all together.
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And so I apologize if, you know, I didn't sort of see what lied underneath.
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And Kate and Randall are both not in the room.
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Oh man, but then just like seeing her like lay on the floor, I'm like, why can't you remember that? Why can't you tell them that? Remember during the storm at the cabin? Because you can't pull.
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No, these tiny little moments. It's like this conversation we had earlier today in an episode with Isaac and Elizabeth. It's like those little tiny fragments of our lives that are written into the show that we don't remember necessarily, but it's like when you start to like dig in, you find those little tiny hidden gems of what make up a life, what comprise a life.
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And I was like- It was always a good day at work. Always a good day at work.
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And a very silly side note, this was the earliest call time for me.
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Because it was like this time of year, it was like wintertime, so we had shorter days.
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Yeah, I had to go to Malibu where we shot this.
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No, no, no. So my in-law at the time lived in Malibu.
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My husband's from there. And so we stayed at their house.
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And then I drove to work because I was like, this is going to be an hour and a half to get to work otherwise. Oh, God. Yeah, 2.30 in the morning to put the prosthetics on. So John must have had a similar, well, no, no, no, because it was just me in that therapy seat.
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Oh, gosh, no. Your entire life. I wasn't complaining either. I just remember thinking. No, you weren't, but I was like, I have no right. Oh.
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I was like, this is early. Is this how it's always going to be? Because we were still like early-ish days where I was like, wow. Yeah. 2.30 is... Yikes.
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What's next? Mary asks, for Mandy, I'm curious if becoming a mom has had you reflect on your character playing an amazing mom figure. If you were to play Rebecca now after being a mom in real life, is there anything you would have done differently?
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Anything I would have done differently. It's so hard to qualify what exactly that would be. I just, I feel like I have more tools in the toolbox now. Like I have more real life experience and baggage that I would be able to like bring to the character. More understanding of her. So I'm sure that would shape and change things to a certain degree, but I don't know exactly how.
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Yeah, episode 213. 213, it features it, and we were just talking about- Yeah, it's right before the Super Bowl. Oh, right before the Super Bowl. Yeah, it's like, oh, wow, things are starting to catch on fire.
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Makes me tear up, yeah. I have to agree with you on that one.
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That's true. Yep. So from This Is Us Brazil, they want to know, do you think your character would have a different story if COVID were not in the world?
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Yeah, people just sort of living their lives in the midst of living through a pandemic, as we all were tasked with doing.
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I didn't have to direct myself. Oh, you didn't? No.
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No, no. You weren't in it. It was all Toby and Kate.
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Where are you going with this, Chris? He was like, this is dark.
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Here's my question. Considering that Chris turned in a hilarious and unrecognizable performance as Taserface in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 and Sterling gave his powerful and emotional one as Prince N'Jobu in Black Panther, when will the lovely Amanda Lee Moore grace the Marvel Cinematic Universe with her presence? Ah! Would Mandy be interested in a role in that universe? Sure.
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Aren't they doing another one? No, they're doing Fantastic Four. I'm sure they are. I'm sure they are. They're always doing something.
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Let's go back and redo the show. Everyone gets their own room.
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I love getting to know you guys too. Yeah, the onion. There you go. Just peeling away the layers.
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I also brought up the fact that this was the earliest call time. Not a big deal, but for me, when I watch this episode, I'm... You do keep saying it. I want to be pat on the back for this. This was early AM. I did it.
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Well, we brought up the fact that, like, there was... Every day we went to work was just, like, a celebration. It was a gift. Like, we were all given the opportunity to rise to the occasion. We got to, like... do these incredible scenes with each other. It just like, it was never, ever lost on me. There was never like an autopilot moment.
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This is the introduction of Kotobi. Look at him. Aw. It's so dumb. Oh, your glasses are all fogged up.
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Got some almond milk for your crachel? I gotta keep going.
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The bag rips open and there's a ton of junk food.
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I understand both perspectives, both parents, absolutely. And Rebecca only comes at it from love.
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They're all natural, clean, vegan, tear-free, and gentle enough for babies and kiddos with sensitive skin.
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They can shower somewhere else.
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And also, it's interesting just to see the pattern emerge where Deja is taking care of her mom. She's like, mom, your uniform, that's in the bathroom. I already paid the bill. She's like, you're going to be late to work. Keeping tabs on her mom, which you just watch and go, no child should be put in that position of being the adult.
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I don't like seeing the baby cut like that. Can I just interject one thing quickly?
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Deja & Shauna's Past | "This Big, Amazing, Beautiful Life" (S2E17) with special guest Joy Brunson
Did anyone notice the Manny on in the background?
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What's a blind spot?
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Deja & Shauna's Past | "This Big, Amazing, Beautiful Life" (S2E17) with special guest Joy Brunson
So what did you do?
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Living the dream. No blind spots. Oh, well, I don't know how to change a car tire. I was like, can Sully teach me how to change a tire? Sure. I miss that.
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But I want to know. I also don't know how to drive manual.
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I'm very... I've been very into doing, like, laundry, dishes. Like, my parents were good about all that stuff, so I feel like I was very prepared at a certain age. And I do love... I love cleaning, so...
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It was Kate getting wheeled in to get her appendix removed for Christmas.
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Yeah, because there's no water. She calls her mom. Her mom doesn't answer.
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Yeah, so she has the wherewithal to take herself to the hospital.
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So quietly.
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I guess where the episode starts, which is sort of, we see echoes of this throughout the entirety of the episode. And this is something we were talking about just a few minutes ago, but like it begins with Deja's birth and the birth of all of the Pearsons. It was Rebecca birthing the big three. It was Randall's mom birthing him. It was Beth birthing Tess. I mean, so it's just like...
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Right out of the gate. She's been home. They just got reunited.
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Well, it's just like, I mean, how disappointing is it? It's like all this, after everything this girl has been through, she's finally home. She's finally been reunited with her mom. And the first choice she makes is to bring her new boyfriend that she met in rehab home. No spending time with her daughter, no trying to make amends, no quality. Like, it just boggled my brain. I was like, ugh.
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And we see this boyfriend just immediately move in to their lives, their home, and things start off okay, but then quickly, yes, devolve into them fighting all the time. And as you alluded to, Deja trying to do her homework with like her hood over her head while they're fighting. And he brings some other characters into the house and she's leaving.
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Yeah, the guns are introduced. She's leaving to go to work. Deja's getting ready to go to school. He tries to kind of, you know, like mention like, oh, don't you have a math test or something today? And it's like too little too late. Like she just wants no part of.
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Do better, do better. No!
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Deja & Shauna's Past | "This Big, Amazing, Beautiful Life" (S2E17) with special guest Joy Brunson
And we see her being excited to go to school and we come to realize it's because she has drill team.
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Deja & Shauna's Past | "This Big, Amazing, Beautiful Life" (S2E17) with special guest Joy Brunson
And it's like something that she can pour herself into that is an escape that's outside of the trouble that she experiences at home and with her mom and how complicated that is. And of course, what happens just as she's about to go and show the team, whatever, her dance, her movement, is the police come in.
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I think to sort of illustrate the point that you were making just a few minutes ago, it's like we're all connected. We all share this like same DNA of what our lives are. Ultimately, there's violence, there's death, there's life, there's immense joy and every color and shade in between.
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Yeah. And it's like, your mom's been arrested. You have to go back into the system. And the next thing we see is Deja showing up at the Pearson store.
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And it just... goes to show you, as you were saying earlier, having compassion. We think we know someone's story. So we meet Deja when we met her a season and a half ago or whatever. As she enters the Pearsons' home and she's quiet and she's removed and she flinches when Randall touches her. And the entirety of this episode has illustrated why. Mm-hmm.
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what this poor girl has endured, has experienced, has seen, has witnessed, has absorbed and digested. And you're just like, I mean, how she is able to be as open and vulnerable and loving as she is with the Pearsons in spite of what she's gone through is just like, is what... is so remarkable about her.
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Oh, sorry. I thought it was the end of season one. No, it was the beginning of season two. Sorry, sorry, sorry. It's okay. 15 episodes. Yeah, 17 episodes, 16 episodes again.
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It's like, yeah, she... But it's just crazy what these writers are able to do where it's like you bring it back around to that moment of origin of how she entered the lives of the Pearsons and therefore our lives as an audience. Yeah. and what she had experienced when she arrived in that moment.
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And I just, I was so taken by the compassion that you have of like, wow, you don't know what goes on, what everyone is bringing with them to the moment.
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And I think like throughout this episode, it was sort of peppered with those moments of like, this is what Deja's lived experience is. But also here's some of these, like the connective tissue of the Pearsons and the people that love her and will become sort of intertwined in her life. Like this is something they've also experienced as well.
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I've recently reconnected with therapy and it's just, it's so beneficial. To me, I feel like the sessions that are most beneficial are the ones where you come in with nothing specific to talk about. They end up being like just the most revelatory in my experience.
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Well, before that, we see the moment when Deja leaves the Pearsons, when Shauna gets custody of her again. They're reunited. Right. And they get home and she says, it's just you and me now. And like Lonzo's out of the picture, they're paying bills and- And it goes well until it doesn't. Until it doesn't.
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And Deja realizes that her mom has taken the money that she has saved for these very occasions to pay the bills, to help- you know, fill in the gaps for her mom. And her mom has essentially stolen that money and used it to bail Lonzo, the boyfriend, out of jail. And rent is due. They're going to be evicted. It is a very precarious situation.
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And it sort of kind of brings us right to the present when the Pearsons discover them sleeping in their car.
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Some accountability and self-realization. Thank you, girl.
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That's what I have. What an episode.
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Deja & Shauna's Past | "This Big, Amazing, Beautiful Life" (S2E17) with special guest Joy Brunson
But illuminating. To see her story unfold the way that it did, to get a glimpse, I hope, a realistic portrayal of what it might be like to be in the system and have an experience not unlike Deja's, I think that's important to show on television and mirror that in the thoughtful way that our show works. always does.
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Deja & Shauna's Past | "This Big, Amazing, Beautiful Life" (S2E17) with special guest Joy Brunson
And again, like the audience trusting us with an entire, pretty much an entire episode about a character that's not the Pearsons. It's really special. And I think it was one of the things I loved most about our show that we were able to take those sort of calculated risks and know that people were on this journey with us.
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Deja & Shauna's Past | "This Big, Amazing, Beautiful Life" (S2E17) with special guest Joy Brunson
Wait, Joy, real quick. He brought it to set so he could show people because they wanted to hold it.
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Deja & Shauna's Past | "This Big, Amazing, Beautiful Life" (S2E17) with special guest Joy Brunson
Can I just interject? Your scenes with Lyric are so powerful. They are so emotional. And the two of you, especially in 217, getting to sort of see the breadth of your relationship. How did you connect with her? It's incredible to watch an episode of television like that where we're following... Deja, and learning about how she sort of came into the Pearsons life, right?
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Deja & Shauna's Past | "This Big, Amazing, Beautiful Life" (S2E17) with special guest Joy Brunson
And what her life was leading up to that. But the connection that you guys have, the rapport you have as mother or daughter is so seamless and so believable. The way you guys listen to each other, your rapport, like, how did you develop that? Yeah. Because we know as actors, like you're just sort of thrust in a situation on the day. There's not like a ton of time. Exactly.
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Deja & Shauna's Past | "This Big, Amazing, Beautiful Life" (S2E17) with special guest Joy Brunson
To sort of develop that, to find it. How did you guys manage that?
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Deja & Shauna's Past | "This Big, Amazing, Beautiful Life" (S2E17) with special guest Joy Brunson
She cut her hand while she was trying to make dinner for her mom. And it's like, look what that kind of like, how that unfolded. That's right.
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Deja & Shauna's Past | "This Big, Amazing, Beautiful Life" (S2E17) with special guest Joy Brunson
It was one that I... I watched every episode of this show, but this was one that felt completely new to me. Me too. Rewatching it, I was like, there was so much about it that I didn't remember. Although I do remember like... Just the idea of it, of when people talked about our show, I loved to reference this episode, which was pretty much entirely about a character that wasn't the Pearsons. Right.
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Deja & Shauna's Past | "This Big, Amazing, Beautiful Life" (S2E17) with special guest Joy Brunson
We sort of talked about the ingenious nature of, you know... appreciating our audience for riding with us on this journey of an episode that happened to unfold about one character that wasn't the Pearsons and how we were able to sort of model an episode like this throughout the entirety of the series, which I thought was really a special thing about our show. Agreed.
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Deja & Shauna's Past | "This Big, Amazing, Beautiful Life" (S2E17) with special guest Joy Brunson
16.
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Deja & Shauna's Past | "This Big, Amazing, Beautiful Life" (S2E17) with special guest Joy Brunson
Really?
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Deja & Shauna's Past | "This Big, Amazing, Beautiful Life" (S2E17) with special guest Joy Brunson
What do we do now?
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Deja & Shauna's Past | "This Big, Amazing, Beautiful Life" (S2E17) with special guest Joy Brunson
And following her story and journey and how unique that was in our storytelling sort of device. Yeah. That our audience trusted us enough to be able to do these kinds of episodes. So I remembered in that sense, but then like getting into the nitty gritty and the little details, it is heartbreaking.
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Deja & Shauna's Past | "This Big, Amazing, Beautiful Life" (S2E17) with special guest Joy Brunson
It's creepy. Good night, nobody.
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Deja & Shauna's Past | "This Big, Amazing, Beautiful Life" (S2E17) with special guest Joy Brunson
Yeah.
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Deja & Shauna's Past | "This Big, Amazing, Beautiful Life" (S2E17) with special guest Joy Brunson
It's like 10 pages long. It's not that long.
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Deja & Shauna's Past | "This Big, Amazing, Beautiful Life" (S2E17) with special guest Joy Brunson
Whispering. Whispering hush. Good night, room. Good night, moon. Good night, moon. Good night, cow jumping over the moon.
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Deja & Shauna's Past | "This Big, Amazing, Beautiful Life" (S2E17) with special guest Joy Brunson
Yeah, I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. We don't have to do moon and moon again.
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Deja & Shauna's Past | "This Big, Amazing, Beautiful Life" (S2E17) with special guest Joy Brunson
Good night, clocks.
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Deja & Shauna's Past | "This Big, Amazing, Beautiful Life" (S2E17) with special guest Joy Brunson
Oh my gosh.
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Deja & Shauna's Past | "This Big, Amazing, Beautiful Life" (S2E17) with special guest Joy Brunson
I am online a lot, so whether it's for work or just life, I've had moments where I've thought, wait, wait, how do they know that about me?
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Deja & Shauna's Past | "This Big, Amazing, Beautiful Life" (S2E17) with special guest Joy Brunson
They do the hard work for you, scanning sites and removing your info so you can help protect yourself from identity theft, phishing attempts, and harassment.
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Deja & Shauna's Past | "This Big, Amazing, Beautiful Life" (S2E17) with special guest Joy Brunson
Oh, okay. We're getting a little creative. Think colorful, fruity, tub time magic. We're going to skip the melty chocolate and we're going to go straight for bath time treats. Dabble and dollop is our go-to, not just for toddlers because they even have products for infants.
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Kate's Fertility Treatment | "Katie Girls" (303)
Yeah. Once his mom is set up, I think he's good to go.
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Kate's Fertility Treatment | "Katie Girls" (303)
Suddenly she's changing her tune about spending time with Kevin.
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Kate's Fertility Treatment | "Katie Girls" (303)
Yeah, he stumbles on the answer a little bit.
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Kate's Fertility Treatment | "Katie Girls" (303)
It depends on the relationship, but I feel like I tend to err on the side of in their own time.
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Kate's Fertility Treatment | "Katie Girls" (303)
He's a journalist. He's been working at the Telegraph.
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Kate's Fertility Treatment | "Katie Girls" (303)
It's a really, yes, it's an interesting one.
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Kate's Fertility Treatment | "Katie Girls" (303)
And had the beautiful sort of silver white hair.
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Kate's Fertility Treatment | "Katie Girls" (303)
Yeah, I hadn't really thought about that.
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Kate's Fertility Treatment | "Katie Girls" (303)
Yeah, she's going to stay at a friend's house and she's like, I can't arrive empty handed.
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A Change of Heart | "That'll Be The Day" (S2E13) | with special guest Lena Waithe
$750,000.
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A Change of Heart | "That'll Be The Day" (S2E13) | with special guest Lena Waithe
Really? Yeah.
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A Change of Heart | "That'll Be The Day" (S2E13) | with special guest Lena Waithe
You guys liked them? Yeah.
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A Change of Heart | "That'll Be The Day" (S2E13) | with special guest Lena Waithe
Oh, yeah.
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A Change of Heart | "That'll Be The Day" (S2E13) | with special guest Lena Waithe
Yes, ma'am.
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Yes! Let's go. I love that.
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Of course.
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A Change of Heart | "That'll Be The Day" (S2E13) | with special guest Lena Waithe
In a lot of ways.
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A Change of Heart | "That'll Be The Day" (S2E13) | with special guest Lena Waithe
We do what we can.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
And she's gone, and there's a couple tears from Randall, and he goes to be with his wife as they say goodbye. And the last part of the storyline is after she's gone, and you see Beth sort of cleaning up her bedroom, folding up blankets, et cetera, and he's like, you know what? I feel like we should try again. Like, maybe not immediately, what have you, but... I feel like we should do it."
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
And she's like, you know what? We have a lot of love in this house and we are set up for it and we will try again. So there's a positive thing. He's like, you know what? Maybe next time it'll be a little boy. And she's like, a boy, huh? I was like, yeah man, make a dream. You know what I'm saying? And then there's a shot, is this in this episode? Of a little boy being talked to by a black woman.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
who we assume is like a social worker, and that this little boy could be like, it's a seat.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
And here's the, so, okay, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna give everybody a pause for a second, because if you're watching along and you haven't gotten ahead, don't listen to this next part.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
That the social worker is grown up Tess. Yes. Right? Yes. And it's such a wonderful. From the future.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
It's a diversion sprinkle. Yeah. So that's where that storyline ends up. So, okay. Chris, what's on your mind?
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
And so delightfully dumb and just enjoys being a dad, right? Yes. And I can say that those are points of synchronicity between myself and him. And we're upstairs talking to Deja and then we hear a bit of a kerfuffle.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
Sure. You know, so to that point, the thought that I have is that is that because in the next episode, we'll get into Kevin's addiction, right? But because these two siblings had something so critical going on in their own lives as well.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
Like, they were not necessarily tuned into what was happening with their brother. Sure. Do you know what I'm saying? In that way. And it just reminds you that, like, life be lifin' for everybody.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
You know? Yep. Because Kate says later on, like, I'm so sorry I wasn't there. I didn't see it. And you're like, you just lost the baby.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
Outside. It turns out that Shauna... Deja's mom has come. She's been let out of prison because the gun was not hers, that was found in her car. Charges were dropped. She said the charges were dropped. So her and Beth are having a bit of a heated discussion. Yes. Let me tell you, if you haven't had firsthand knowledge of two sisters in the midst, that was a close representation of what it's like.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
There's also, and I'm curious how you feel about this, man, because I feel like it is oftentimes the women in our lives that put the needs of others before themselves. So I'm curious to this idea, what you made me think of is like, you know, you got to put your own mask on first so you can help other people get their masks on too. But I don't know if everybody thinks that way or not.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
That's interesting. Because like, if I take, I mean, true to that, I was like, if I take care of myself first, I'm better able to take care of everybody else. You're not incorrect.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
Let's go to the past because there's still a little bit of a thing, a coda that I want to get to in the present. Yes, exactly. But I want to get to the past. Kate's doing her songs for school. Kev is figuring out what he's doing for college. Randall's filling out his college applications. Randall's filling out his college applications.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
Got Harvard and Stanford and all these things, and he's looking at them all and whatnot. But he lingers particularly on this application to Howard University. Susan Kelechi-Watson attended Howard University. Sterling K. Brown applied, got accepted to Howard University, visited the campus of Howard University. was probably my second choice. Okay. Beautiful place. Yeah. Gorgeous.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
And one of the only reasons, one of the main reasons. I wondered as I was watching, I was wondering about you. One of the main reasons why I didn't go is I thought I would leave with children. There were so many beautiful women.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
And mama bears. You know what I'm saying? Like going at it. Yeah. I so love to see Sue get, cause Sue don't get mad. You know what I'm saying? But like, there was, there was like, she said like, I'll be back. And she's like, we'll be here. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, and it was interesting because you get a chance to see this little girl and she gets mad.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
Solid as a rock. Like there were so many beautiful women on that campus. Number one, I was like, I don't know if I can make it. Number two. This is hysterical. Number two was that if you go to an HBCU, by and large, folks be dressing. Like you dress up for school in a way that you don't around like in a PWI. And I was like, I don't know if I have the wardrobe for this school.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
The multitude of attractive women. It was just- Sure, sure, sure. Stanford did, we did fine. Bird, you were gorgeous.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
So Randall goes and he finds his dad. Was it his dad first or his mom first? I'm trying to remember. He's like, dad, I want to go visit this college. Like, cause his dad was going to take him. He's like, Harvard. You know, I was like, just found, sounds good coming out of my mouth. Harvard. He's like, actually dad, I would love to go to this other school, Howard. It's in DC.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
And I kind of want to check it out. It's about four hours away. He's like, all right, man, we'll get around to it. He's like, can we go this Friday? Because that's when they're meeting and everything. He's like, well, Kev's got a game this Friday. He's like, Kevin got a game, you know what I'm saying? He always has a game. Like he wasn't letting it go.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
He wasn't being pushy, but he was like, can we do it? And he's like, yeah, we can do it. Kind of a first for Randall. Yeah, like asserting himself. Absolutely. Like in a very effective, but definite manner. Adult. He's like, let's do this. And he's like, okay, cool. And he's just beaming.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
Yeah, he's thought long and hard because you know that, who's Rye's character on that show? Yvette. Yvette's son. Yvette has a son that's already there. Yes. Keith. Keith. That's right.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
Yeah. I was like, oh, right, right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he agrees to go. You see the same scene retold three times. Like everybody at the door can't be like, oh, don't worry, man. I got plenty of fans.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
And I have to give Niles credit for, because Niles, what he does with the corniness that is Randall is, whereas like I sort of lean into like, I got, he just goes, see, hello, cool K. Like he just keeps, he's like, it's a dumb line, but he's like, bye, hello, cool K. And then I evolve it to like, hey, hello, cool K. Like it's just, I put a little sauce on it.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
Sure. So they get to campus, to this point, Chris, They get to campus and there's Keith and a bunch of his friends. And they're like, yo, what up RP? How you doing? And he's so excited. I also love, they both have on the same kind of coats. Dude, Jack and Randall, right? Like he's got like the sort of like pea coat long sort of thing. And everybody else is dressed differently, right?
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
And they're about to join the college tour. And then Keith's like, you know, actually, I was going to show him around some of my friends and anything like that, have it be a little less formal. He's like, well, you got to show him everything, Keith. Make sure he sees. A real tour. A real tour. And he's like, OK. And just Niles' face, Ezra, he's just beaming.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
She would get mad even at that time. Lyric, when I would call her a little girl, she's like, I'm not a little girl. I'm a young lady. And I would say, okay, young lady. But you get a chance to see her handle her mom. Like she becomes the parent. And this mom is like, that's not the way it goes, mom. We have to call the social work and everything will work out, right?
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
He's just so happy to be in this place, right? And you show Jack like, oh, okay. I thought it was going to be this one thing. You see Jack kind of by himself, what have you. But then you see Randall go through a lot of things, right? He's meeting new people, et cetera. They're shown on the campus. Couple of sisters walk by. And he's like, okay.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
Just so happy. Then there's this conversation where he's talking to the guys. He's like, you know, like... He goes like, you know, my high school is pretty much all white. And they're like, yeah, mine too. He's like, yeah, mine too. Cause I think there's this expectation that everybody here is gonna have like this, quote unquote black experience that I haven't had.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
And so to those guys saying that like, man, my high school is kind of like that too. My high school is like that too. There's a place for you in this space, right? You don't need to feel like you are outside of it. Like we all come from a similar sort of thing. And you see them just ease into it even more and more and more, right? So they're out on the quad.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
at the end of the thing, and Jack's walking up, because it's time to get back. They got to get back to everything. And you see Randall kind of go quiet a little bit, and is like, oh, dad, I want you to meet people. There's a little bit of a hesitation, if you will. And he goes, well, it's time for us to go. He's like, oh, really? He's like, yeah, we got to get out of here.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
So he says goodbye to all the fellas. They're like, hey, man, can't wait to see you. Like, it's all love, right? They get in the car and they're driving back. The afterglow, Niles kills this, man. He's just warm. You know what I'm saying? Every part of his fiber is just like- Activated. Activated. He's like, how was it? He's like, it was great. It was great.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
Also, I have to make my voice deeper to catch up with Niles because he's like, it was great, man. And he says, you know, there was a moment there where it seemed like you didn't want to introduce me to your friends or what have you. And he's like, oh, he's like, well, I didn't want to introduce, not because you're white, it's because you're old, right? And Jack was like, oh, okay.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
Still not 100% convinced, but like, I'll take you at your word. And he goes, but dad, you know that feeling that you felt when you didn't feel accepted for that moment when I didn't introduce you?
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
feel like that all the time yeah and off balance is how he put it yes yeah what i love about this conversation is that is a conversation between a young black man and a white man who love each other and i think this is one of the magic things is conversations that are difficult still transpire and just because they're difficult doesn't mean they need to be had
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
But because you know that there's love on this side and love on this side, I can tell you the truth and you will meet me where I am. Right? I wish that was a more readily available thing that we practiced. You know what I'm saying? Or just even coming from a place of love so that you don't immediately vilify someone that has something to tell you. And so Jack hears him.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
He's like, we'll make one more stop. And he shows him. The wall.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
Vietnam Memorial in D.C. And he talks about how, you know, he was in the war and he got drafted when he was 25. And a lot of things changed for him. He's like, there's some things it's hard to talk about. Don't even tell your mom about it, what have you. But when I first got back, I kind of felt out of balance and out of place, too. It was a moment for me. of real sort of like, he empathizes.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
Like he didn't dismiss how he felt. He's like, listen, it may not be the exact same thing.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
Yeah, but I've felt what you felt. And I'm gonna tell you from my experience, it comes and goes, right? There are times in which you feel a part of, and there's times that you feel on the outside of it, but you just keep showing up basically because you belong. And he says, oh, Milo, is it extraordinary?
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
He goes, whatever choices you make, dog, like you need to trust them and lean into them and go with them because you're spectacular. And he goes, no, no. He says it again. You're spectacular.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
And here's the thing that I thought of. Such a specific choice. Here's the thing that I thought of too, because this will come up later. in terms of the words Jack uses with Kate as well, and how she sort of reaches an impasse with regards to how much she wants to hear them. And then something else happens too. I always think in my head, I don't know if you guys are at this place.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
This show, I think even sort of helps me with it. I want to be the voice in my child's head that they want to hear. My wife in particular, my wife talks to herself. She's not crazy. She just, she's an only child and she does a lot of like talking to herself. Like talking out loud. Talking out loud.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
And I always just sort of like roll up around the corner because I'm always curious, what is Ryan thinking now that she won't tell me? And sometimes she'll be talking about things that other people have told her about herself, about the industry, et cetera, et cetera. And they can be affirming, they can be critical or whatnot.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
And I was thinking, I was like, when my kids, if they do have these conversations with themselves out loud or otherwise, I hope they can think back to the things that their dad said to them and it makes them feel good.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the girls go, is everything okay? And he's like, no, just, you know, it's Deja's mom coming and everybody's just trying to do what's best for her. I can't remember all the lines, but that's the gist. Debra Jo Rupp comes back as Linda.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
Because that spectacular one, I was like... That's a good one. That's a good one to have reverberating in your dome for perpetuity, right? So that, is that the end of that storyline? And they all come together and then, you know, Kevin there at the hospital, et cetera. But yeah, that's the end of that. And it sort of makes you wonder, cause I know we'll get into it a little bit later on,
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
Oh, except when we get to later on and he dreams about how he went to Howard and it gets later. We'll get there. Koda on the present is that it sort of wraps up and then we catch up with all three of our big three. Mom calls Randall, tells him about Kate losing the baby. So when Kev shows up and he's like, Randall, I got to tell you something. He's like, I already know Kate lost the baby.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
He's sort of like, oh, not fully knowing that as well. And sort of shook. Kev goes into the kitchen. doing a little day drinking, vodka and orange juice, right? This is the same episode, right? Yes. Vodka and orange juice, taking it to the head in front of the girls. And, you know, Randall can tell, he's like, man, you don't look great.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
Like, you know, hope you can get it together, but I should go call our sister. And that's probably the right play. We just found out. Sister lost the baby.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
He's good. And then so he decides, telling the girls, he's like, you know what? Just tell her I had to go, right? So Kev takes off after like downing two glasses, right? We saw two glasses of OJ and vodka.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
He's in the car. He's not, you know, he's swerving a little bit.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
Maybe like he wants to hurt himself or who knows. And then we find out that Tess is in the back of the car. Uncle Kevin, what are you doing? Slow down. And she's like, what are you doing here? Put your seatbelt on. Like he, last thing that he ever wanted was for one of his nieces to be in the car with him, right? We see the police. Gets pulled over. Phone call to Black Pearson house.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
Beth is, Tess is, because we're looking for Tess. We don't know where she is. Tess is with Kevin, your brother. He just got pulled over for a DUI. All Randall says is, I'm going to kill him. Right? Yep. That's pretty much where we leave it. Yeah.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
As Linda and is telling us that she is indeed out. um that she's gotten herself together she's got an apartment i checked on her the other day she seems to be doing really well and i'm going to recommend to the court that she be reunited with her daughter like beth and randall like you gotta be kidding me Like, oh, that's what you have to do. Like you have a gun in the car, whatnot.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
Okay. So let's just talk about the trilogy. It was great.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
Let's do it. So we'll be right back with more That Was Us.
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
Ladies and gentlemen, everyone, we are back with more That Was Us. We have a special guest with us, as we referred to. The linchpin, I consider, of Randall, because there's the younger version, then there's the older version, but the one, the tie that binds, that brings it all together. That's right. My main man. The cornerstone. Niles Field!
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Finding His Way | "Number Three" (S2E10)
I was just teasing Niles. I was telling him he gained weight in his neck. My man got thicked out. You know what I'm saying? He's grown. He's graduated from USC.
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College grad. Niles came to a premiere of American Fiction one time, had a lovely date. He was so sweet. It was so great to see him. We had fun. I always tease him. I'm not going to tell you what I said about him because I don't want to embarrass him too much, but he's been one of these people in my life that I've always just been happy to be in the presence of.
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You get a chance to see these young people grow up. And you and Milo probably feel it even more acutely than I do. I have these little girls. But you got a chance to see this dude become a man.
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The kid could have got to it, not gotten to it. Like, I don't care how she's doing right now. Like, how are you going to tell me that the woman that showed up at my doorstep yelling at my wife last night, by the way, let me go back real quick. Nothing is more embarrassing to black people than acting a fool in front of white people.
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Talk to us a little bit about what's going on in life. You just graduated. You are, are you a directing major? Like the focus that you want to do is start being behind the camera or what?
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This man also has sent me a full script. Your script is like 120 pages. I haven't read it yet. I promise I'm going to read your script. No worries, no worries. Throwing himself under the bus there. I thought he was sending me like, you know, I'm trying to do this short. No, it's 120 pages. Proper script. I'm doing real stuff. We're doing real things.
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We've graduated beyond that. We've graduated to another level. We were watching 210. Which is episode number three. So it has Kevin's episode, then it has Kate's episode, then it has Randall's episode, right? And your storyline sort of focuses on Howard University, applying to colleges and whatnot, but being uniquely sort of pulled to Howard University. You go on a road trip with your dad.
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Tell us a little bit about your experience of shooting that episode. And this was one of the few times also... We traveled. that TIU went on the road. They actually went. And I think it was one of the first things to actually shoot at Howard University.
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Yeah. So I'm curious to hear what your experience was like.
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One of the comments that I was making to the team is that you as Randall just had this Cheshire cat grin on your face the whole time you were on campus, right? And I'm wondering like how much of that was just Randall and how much of it was Niles also just being like, yo, it's a campus full of black folks. Like how cool was it just to be in that environment? They call it the Mecca.
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I don't know if it was the first time, but they don't let a lot of people from what I remember talking to from Sue, like onto the campus a lot. So, but at least shooting Howard for Howard. Interesting. I think it was one of the few times. Oh, that's very cool. Yeah. Very cool.
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I'm just being honest. Like, that was a real moment. I was like, we're not supposed to do this in front of them, right? So you're going to tell me that this woman who showed up last night is fit to be like, like, and I say it in the lab, like Deja actually had to like parent her. Yeah. Right. And so now you're going to reunite them and we're just through with it. Randall is,
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Wait, you were just, they asked you to do one episode? Like there wasn't a full contract that you signed for multiple years? It was just one?
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You're totally when you least expect it. Talk to us a little bit about the relationship that you, Hannah, and Logan had with each other through that whole process. Because you guys were with each other all the time. And it seemed like a really authentic and beautiful bond between TV siblings. Talk to us a little bit about it.
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Was it, is it, I mean, after six years of doing the show, would you say that it has, it changed your life? Has it changed anything in terms of career opportunities or trajectory or have things kind of like mellowed out again? Like what, tell me what life is like right now. And especially immediately after the show to now.
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I would say Beth is here and Randall's like even a little bit hotter. It's like, listen, I have to go drop my kids off now. I have two drops. I keep my house clean all the time because that's how we do things. Because before she'd ask you, are you finished? And I was like, no, I'm finished. Right? Okay. Go drop the girls off. You can see Annie's like, is everything going to be okay with Deja?
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You guys have a very similar trajectory or could have a very similar trajectory. Yes, exactly. I could see that.
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Yes. I got you. Thank you. Let me ask you a little bit more about 210, especially just scenes with Milo. You talked to us a little bit about being on the campus or whatnot and how the smile was real, because I had a feeling that it was. But just the scenes with Milo, because these race conversations between a young Black man and a white man, right, and how
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if you remember it i don't even know if like how much you can remember because it was such a long time ago but talking about dad you know that feeling that you you had for a moment when you thought that i didn't introduce you to my friends because you were white like i feel like that all the time like i'm curious for a young man what was like to tackle those scenes dealing with race head on i think it really helped me and milo had a very uh honest relationship yeah uh and
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It was this moment when he was, you guys are sitting outside of the Vietnam Memorial or whatnot.
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and he's telling you you know whatever sometimes you're gonna feel off balance and sometimes you won't you know but whatever choices you make you lean into them because you're gonna make spectacular choices you are spectacular and you try to shrug it off again he says no i'm repeating like you're spectacular like you should know that about yourself and i was saying i hope that my children
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I say, yeah, we're just all trying to figure out what's best for her. That's all that matters. You guys go to school. Everything is going to be fine. Then he has to drop off Deja. And she asks like, have you talked to the social worker and everything? I was like, no, we're still figuring it out.
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when they look back in life, when they hear their dad's voice, they hear things that are affirming who they are in the world and are buoyed by what they hear in terms of their father's voice in their head, right? And so I thought that scene was beautiful in that way between you and Milo because, man, how delicious.
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For me as an actor, I got a chance to hear that from time to time as I'm moving through Randall's arc in life right now, knowing that somebody believed in me like that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
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Lord, you forget sometimes, like, this thing called acting or whatever, you know, like, a lot of people, I said this before, they feel like it's make-believe, and yes, it is, but it's also... you invest yourself as fully into the given circumstances of the character so that you don't have to act, you can be, right?
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And so like the difference sometimes between Niles and Randall, between Sterling and Randall, between Toby and Chris and between Rebecca and Mandy is very thin.
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You know? If you're doing it that way, you know? Yeah. What else y'all got for this dude? Oh, you know what? Before I let you go, because I mean, hopefully, hopefully we'll get a chance to have you back later as we get into other storylines for y'all. Because I'm so curious, once you meet Beth, like...
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That whole storyline, like for a second, I didn't know if they were gonna put me in young age makeup. I was like, Brown, you look too old. Let's go ahead. Let this young man do his thing. You know what I'm saying? But I'm sort of curious because like, because you were young and you were going through it or whatnot, like talk to us a little bit about that whole Beth Randall storyline for you.
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So he gives a lie, not because he's just trying to obfuscate, but he's like, I don't know if I'm ready to just get into this just yet. So she goes to school. He's gonna come back later to see her project, right? That she's been working so hard on and they had a wonderful time doing together. calls Beth, admits that Linda had already given permission for Shawna to be reunited with her.
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I mean, and what's our girl's name? Rachel. You and Rachel. I'm just curious, like what that process was like, what that relationship was like, how you enjoyed it, et cetera.
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That sounds so much like Randall, you know what I'm saying? Just trying to please, absolutely.
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Niles, if you want people to follow you on IG or anything, where can they find you? And if there's anything else they're supposed to be looking out for you for right now, let the people know.
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Niles, thank you so much for joining us. Give him a gun flex real quick, because Niles has been working on the guns. Go on, show him. Go on, show him.
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Make sure we watch forever so you can see Niles' gun show.
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Ladies and gentlemen, this is Niles Fitch. Let's give it up for him one more time. Thank you for joining us, brother. We love you so much.
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Seeing everybody just grow up. You know what I'm saying? Like babies becoming grown-ass people is pretty damn cool.
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I just wasn't ready for it, right? He has a memory to when William was alive and he just had his breakdown in season one. And he's like, man, that was a lot. I didn't know that that was something that you had to deal with. And he's like, you know, I'm not actually, oh no, it was after Thanksgiving. Yeah. It was after Thanksgiving, excuse me. I know Thanksgiving was a big deal.
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It's going to hold him back. You know what I'm saying? It's tough. YouTube.
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That's what we're trying to do. So that we can keep saying, that was us.
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The smile on his face, like anytime his sister walked by, he's like, oh man.
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He also shared a really interesting thing about how both he and I lost our fathers at an early age, but like having Jack on the show, his relationship with Milo was a surrogate of sorts for the father that wasn't there and it was healing. So it was really cool to hear that as well. Right? Find your push. Find your power.
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It was a lot to go through. And he's like, you know, I'm not ready for small talk right now. And he's like, okay, I got you. They're just laying on lawn chairs, going through it. And he said, how many times have you met my mom? And he said, twice, you know, once when you were newly born and she just kind of wanted to connect and see me, et cetera.
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No, the first trilogy. The first trilogy. End of the first trilogy in season two, because we've already gone through Kevin's. We've seen Kate dealing with the miscarriage, and now we're seeing what's going on in the life of Randall. All in the same day. From Randall's perspective.
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And then once when you were about nine and she told me you were doing really well and I got myself cleaned up and I was doing much better. And I got really excited at the prospect that she might allow me to be a part of your life. And so I'm getting myself together and she ghosted. And we remember that from previous episodes. What we didn't realize is that he followed her, right?
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And I was like, oh man, like I'm like remembering these things as they come to me too, because I was like, oh yeah, that's right, he did follow her. He only had $20, and he asked the cabbie to go as far as he could, hoping that he had enough money. He thankfully did.
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We see Rebecca going to the house, and we see young William walk up to the house, knock on the door, and Jack and Rebecca let him in, right? And he gets a chance to meet young Randall, and he's like, I didn't know if I was going to be a part of everything, but maybe just sort of like the bigger moments, right?
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Birthday party, you see they're celebrating his birthday, and he's standing in the background just smiling. Yep. Happiest can be graduation from high school or whatnot. You see William there. Now we obviously know that this didn't happen, but we're just seeing it play out what would have been, what could have been. And then you see him standing at the door and he says, but I saw
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These three bikes. And they said, one, two, three. And I realized I didn't know which bike was yours. That there's this history, these nicknames that you guys had already assigned to one another. A whole life that had transpired that I had absolutely nothing to do with. Who am I to inject myself into that and disrupt the equilibrium of what your life is right now?
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And so he decided not to. And so you flash back to Randall in the car, just kind of being like, hmm. He decides then to go check out Joy's apartment. And he sees Shawna, played by Joy Brunson, who I absolutely love. And you see her smiling, talking to neighbors. She's got new clothes that she's got for Deja and whatnot. And it's like, sort of like in a good frame of mind, right?
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So then he goes back to school and he meets with his wife. And I love, like the scenes with Beth and Randall are so just like, I love that woman. And I love the relationship that we were able to have on screen. And I was like, I don't know if it's right for us to keep Deja from her mom.
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She's like, I was thinking the same thing. Right. And now this is an anecdote here because I can't remember this whole thing, but I remember Dan coming up to me for this episode and be like, I have this thing about Pac-Man. And I was like, okay. He's like, it doesn't really make sense, but it kind of makes sense. You'll do great with it.
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They did? Well, because he goes through it and he's sort of breaking it down. And he says, you know, you're like Sisyphus. You're just going and you're doing the same thing over and over again, just trying to gobble up these dots and avoid the ghost. But eventually the ghost catch up to you or whatnot. And Beth is sitting there listening to it. She's like, baby, what are you talking about?
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I said, I don't know. But maybe that's kind of like what life is and that they're supposed to catch up to you and that's the beautiful part of it.
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Is happy. Yeah. Sisyphus loves the push. Right.
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And so that's, they leave it there, but recognizing that, you know, I think of William and like, I don't know if he says that in this, does he say... Like, well, he doesn't say this, but you understand that, like, my mom made a choice with regards to my life and keeping me from him. And listen, we've only been a part of her life for a hot second.
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Like, we're actually the ones that are disrupting what was. And if she wants to be there, like, who are we to keep her from that, right? And Brown got a little teary and they're standing in the back of the classroom and she's doing her presentation.
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And she's talking about one particular aspect of the project and she goes, my foster dad helped me with that. And I'm telling you, it's, okay, a couple of things. Let me get anecdotal for just a second and we'll jump into the past storyline as well. I got two boys. Love these little boys. And I think God slash the universe has blessed me in television many times to just have these girls.
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And I gotta tell you, I love them. I love all of them. And I was like, maybe like, and I don't, there's no regrets. Like, I think everything happens exactly as it's supposed to happen, but I'm so thankful that I get a chance to like supplement my own fatherhood with these beautiful young women that I have in my life too. That's it.
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I did indeed. I was like, let's make it real, big guy. Let's make it real.
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True. Brown gets a little misty. It's also one of Brown's favorite memes is putting his thumb up of himself. I use memes of myself from time to time. GIFs of myself. I do too. It's my favorite thing with my group of friends. I also have a thumbs up meme.
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So we start off this episode, what I kind of really enjoyed about it is that you just see him in dad mode, right? Hanging out with his girls, you know, helping with homework, et cetera, et cetera. And then he goes and he talking to Deja.
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Some days, I want to challenge myself with a tough boot camp. Other days, I just need a 10-minute walk or a calming meditation. Pelotime gives you the ability to choose what you need whether you're pushing yourself or taking it easy. And let's not forget the instructors. They are the best motivators out there. It's fun to imagine which instructors our characters would connect with.
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Like Randall, who's always pushing himself, would probably love someone like Robin Arson. While Rebecca might go for a more soulful yoga session with Aditi Shah. Allow me to give a special shout out to my girl Jess Sims for the dope Sims 60 that she always brings the pain on. Adrian Williams with the Thunder 45. I love you guys.
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So we go back to the house. Deja's packing her stuff up. There's a little bit of a montage of the girls saying goodbye, et cetera. Randall goes out to see Shawna and gives her a bag, says she's bringing the rest of her stuff down. You know, if you ever need any help, right? Like, you know, math and science are kind of my jam. If you need help with homework.
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And she's like, well, we're going to be in New Jersey. And he's like, yeah, but still, like, I can pack the girls up. It would be an easy thing. We'd just come through. And she's like, no, I think we're good. And you get it, like the wind that is in Randall Pearson's sails, he's like, okay, this one is not going to go that way. So, okay. Yeah. Deja comes out and she says goodbye to Beth.
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And you see they've been working on this project together with the plants and seeing like what other things besides just, you know, water, whatever, affect plants, playing music, making cheesy jokes about Beyonce and lemonade. I think he had a dad joke with Faith and Tess about, you know, why did the something go to the dentist that had Bluetooth? I can't remember all. He's so dumb.
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Very sweet exchange between the two of them, what have you. I gotta keep this one together because this one actually got me, for real, for real. And she's talking to me and she says, you know how when we first met, you were saying you kind of felt split in two, right? Because you had the bio father that you didn't know, but you had this family that you're with that you obviously love.
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She said, well, just because I want to be back with my mom doesn't mean that I didn't really enjoy living here with you guys. He's like, yeah, I know that, right? And I says, oh, look, I know you're not, you know, too big on me touching everything. She's like, well, that's just when I don't see it coming. I was like, oh, okay. So there's a hug and man, man.
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Lord have mercy. There's so much love that like, that I have for this child who's now 21 years old. She's grown. And she was just so mature and just like, it was like, it wasn't hugging. It was like hugging someone that I've known all my life. And, you know, we talk about the big house and the fancy car. And then she just ended by saying, bye, Randall. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
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We hear that in episode 102 when she's talking to William and she's describing what his vice is. He's perfect, but perfect is not a good thing in the way that she's describing it. His desire to be everything to everyone at the same time will turn in on itself, right? Like he did when he couldn't see. And so you see her talking on the phone to Rebecca and you can kind of hear like, how's he doing?
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I love when somebody's talking on the phone and you feel like you can hear the other side of the conversation. It was a great sort of thing. It's like, yeah, well, I'm looking forward to seeing you, could use you, dah, dah, dah, dah.
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That's right. She didn't want to be a vet anymore. And it turns out that there's a story there. There's also sort of like Kev says to Randall, we don't have to make a map, bro. We know the neighborhood. We're not going to get lost. He's like, I'm just trying to maximize our candy so we can make all this stuff, right? Always shout out to Milo Ventimiglia and the charm. For the moonwalk?
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So they're speaking gently with each other or whatnot. And then Rebecca comes. Rebecca comes, they're happy to see her. Babe, why don't you take your mom's bags upstairs? How's he doing? You know, is he okay? Et cetera. And they're talking softly and he says like, you guys are really bad at bad whispers, you know? And there's this sort of recognition of like, I'm the problem.
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And I shouldn't be the problem. My wife's about to have a child and they're all worried about me.
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You know what I'm saying? And so he says like, you know, I tell you, I'm going to go to fix this lamp. Yeah, the hardware store, get another fan because it's not working. When I come back, let's just be normal. Let's be regular, you know?
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So he, you know, even as he's going out and she's like, it's kind of dark outside. He's like, I can drive to the hardware. Okay. You know, everything is, you know, everybody's walking around. And so he gets to there and he sees this dude who's working in the hardware store, Garuda. Garuda, sick cat, cool, very cool.
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And he starts talking to Garuda about like how two months ago he had this nervous breakdown. He saw his daughter in the womb. And at six months, do you know that babies start to have dreams? You know, up until that point, you could say that they're just a collection of nerves and muscles, et cetera. But like now they have dreams and that's like a person. That's a real thing.
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That's a world and into itself. And I'm responsible. for this world and I don't know how I feel about that. Like, I don't know if I'm capable of being responsible for this world. So like, what am I supposed to do? And Groot is like, why are you asking me, big dog? And he points at his name tag and it says, ask me for help. And if it's not too racist.
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Not to be racist, but, you know, determined also. There's something about this Eastern philosophy and whatnot. And this got a lot of attention on our socials at the time. I think because we don't see six that often. Yeah, yeah. In terms of representation in media and whatnot. And the guy was so cool because he was like, Eastern philosophy. Like, I'm from East... East Trenton. East Trenton.
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You know what I'm saying? But he winds up giving this nugget. Like, look, I got five kids. And I used to have all these questions and be concerned about the answers or whatnot and what they don't tell you. And I believe this is true. I was like, I'd forgotten about this scene. And they're like, this is it. Kids, they come with the answers to them. You know what I'm saying?
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You'll look at them, they'll look at you and you'll just sort of like get it, right? And I just like taking a pause there for a second because I feel... this is a unique dad thing possibly because I think moms are sort of like begun that process Once they get the baby inside her, you can tell me now, like, it's like, okay, I'm now a mom.
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The absolute, well, yes. Yeah, the moonwalk at the end of the scene.
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Whether it's inside of me or outside of me, I'm sort of like beginning that process. For dads, it really doesn't become real until like they sort of pop out or you have the six month recognition, it's random, of that, right? But there is something so beautiful, and you can talk about Lou if you want to, or you talk about Gus or Oz, but like you get that baby, man. It's flipping magical.
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It's the most delightfully magical thing in the world. And I'll talk about this a little bit because in our episode, she winds up going into labor. Beth goes into labor early.
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On today's episode of That Was Us, we'll be discussing Season 2, Episode 6, The Twenties. Jack and Rebecca find themselves struggling after taking 10-year-olds trick-or-treating. Meanwhile, Randall, Kevin, and Kate experience a life-changing Halloween. Hello, gang.
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This beautiful moment with Garuda. And Randall takes off.
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Man, I've never seen Sterling run so fast.
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I truly enjoy seeing Goofy Jack entertain his kids. Because he leans into it with such zest and zeal. And it's just like, I forgot, Milo is capable of true goofiness. And it's a delight. It is delightful. It is a true delight, the moonwalk and everything else. So ultimately what winds up happening is that
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I actually asked them a couple of times, I was like, do you want me to slow down? Shout out to Regina King.
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Who directed this episode, right? And so we go home and Beth is in labor and she's, I'm scared, baby.
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I'll say something and I'll let you follow it up. Like I, because I'm the dude that I am, I've always wanted children. Like in my sort of evolution of self, children are always a part of it. So it wasn't something that sort of happened because Ryan, you know, all of a sudden, one time, like it was always sort of in my makeup, right? When I saw Andrew, And I should say, like, I delivered Andrew.
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Yeah. Because the midwives did not make it to the house in time, and that's no shade to me. It's just Fertile Myrtle, Ryan Michelle Bathé, had her first contraction at 11 p.m., and Andrew came into the world at 2.23 a.m., three hours and 23 minutes later.
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And they're always telling us, like, Mommy, get some rest. You're in for a big day.
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So all of that happened, but like he came into the world and I caught him and I unwrapped his umbilical cord from around his ankle and passed him through his mom's legs and put him on her chest so that they can begin the bonding process or whatnot. And it was just like, this is it. This is what I do now. This is what I do now. And this is a joy to do.
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And so as the other part was Ryan's most harrowing part of the evening, she had a small tear in her noni, is what they call the midwife called it. You have a small tear in your noni. And so while Ryan was working up the nerve to get the stitches, because it took about 45 minutes, she's like, you gonna put what where? How you gonna do that? I'm gonna go, okay, hold on one second.
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And she hold my hand and rival hold on real tight. I was like, you're hurting me. She hold on real tight. And as that was happening, because we weren't at the hospital, I was laying on the bed next to her as Andrew was taking his first nap on my chest.
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Everything. Chris, everything. He told me everything. He's like, I'm here. We're here. I think he chose me as just as much as we chose him. You know what I'm saying? And now we're here to practice love with each other. Yeah.
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Or Peloton can go easy. Absolutely.
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I completely agree. Like if there are times in which I need to train for film, there's these boot camps that kick my butt up and down. If I just want to relax a little bit, there's a wonderful meditation, yoga, whatever you need. Peloton has it.
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randall wants to do one thing one way the other kids want to do something else they wind up taking a vote they get outnumbered but rebecca had already promised randall that they could follow the map yeah right and before they head out they have a a a marital marital conversation about the way that
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Dude, I'm so glad you brought that up. Because just like Randall needed those moments of grounding during all those twists and turns, Peloton offers the flexibility to fit into any schedule, any season. Now imagine Randall squeezing in a quick yoga session to manage stress. Mm-hmm. It's all there on Peloton, ready to adapt to whatever phase you're navigating.
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You got the most. I know you do. Come on.
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Because that first time, you think you're going to break them.
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Which I also say is very important in terms of Kev's development. Even hearkening back to season one in the pool and he's like, is anybody see I'm drowning here? I am drowning.
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Yeah, back home. Okay, wait, let me go back to the episode. Sorry, yeah. No, no, that was awesome.
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But we go back, Beth's scared. She's like, I'm scared, baby, I'm scared. She's like, hey, we got this, okay? Now, the anecdote of this is that
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before we started shooting like dan had heard me talk about the birth story of of andrew before it was like we want to sort of recreate that right so had uh regina talked to ryan and i about how it all went down and so the thing about it in often times at home births etc if you're not in a tub or whatnot oftentimes you deliver on all fours Okay. So we shot it like that on all fours.
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And Dan was like, dude, I think we have to reshoot it. He came like a couple of weeks later. I think we have to reshoot it. He goes, why? He goes, it looks like he's taking a dump. It looks like he's dumping his child. I was like, but that's real. And he's like- That's real. And that is kind of what it is.
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Sometimes, sometimes. Rye did not. Rye did not. This is true. But so he goes, he's like, can I... At least you're listening, Rye.
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So he goes, can I just show it to you so you see what I'm talking about? And I looked at it and I was like, okay, I get... how representation-wise it does not look- Like a child being delivered. Because of the way we've seen it on film and TV for years. So this is interesting. So we wound up reshooting it more traditionally.
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So people wouldn't, well, because the thing is, I think so many people have not seen it that way, and oftentimes in a hospital, you're obviously on your back or whatnot, that you didn't want people to drop out of the scene.
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And this is how it would have happened. I'm doing stuff like lifting up Sue's dress. Like, all right, this is my wife. We're going in from the back here.
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So we actually had to wind up going back and reshooting it. But so, and so that's just a little side note to that.
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You were real purple too. I was really bruised.
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Nobody notices. So okay, we're tracking that for it. So they go out, Rebecca goes with Randall, Jack goes with the other two. We find out that Kate has a crush on this guy. Billy maybe? But she has a crush on this guy and she wants to go to the haunted house quickly because maybe if they get scared, he'll hold her hand.
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I remember you coming to work and I was like, damn, Mandy Moore, what the hell happened? And then as I watched the episode- Where's Taylor? Where is he? He was out of town. He was great. He had an alibi. Taylor did. We know. You could. Well, so wait, let's get to this last part because there's a lovely conversation. After Tess is born, Everybody's healthy, happy, whole, et cetera.
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We see Rebecca dropped something on the floor of the kitchen. And you're cleaning up the pieces and you're in tears and you're saying like, this is like one of the happiest days of my life. And I'm like, all right, so these are happy tears? It's just like, I don't get a chance to share it with your dad.
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The happiest moments will also be the saddest.
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Let's go back to a little masterful piece of writing slash acting. I'll never stop just shouting out the praises of Mandy Moore. This sort of like side conversation about Facebook with Beth earlier. I hear it's like a way of like connecting with people and sort of being with community or whatnot. And Beth's like, I ain't gonna put no pictures up in there.
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And she's like, well, maybe it could be something positive. She's like, well, I'll help you set it up. She's like, I like that. That would be really nice. So you're understanding for the first time, really, Rebecca with her children, all gone.
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Please don't get me started about how Brown feels when all my children are all gone, you know, without her husband, without any friends that we know about. It's like, Rebecca's kind of by herself.
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And so, and then reiterating that in that conversation with Randall about like, you know, your father's gone and normally this is something that we got to share together. Now do it by yourself. What name have you found for it? It'll come to you when you find it and you see him. The thing that he's picking up the dirt with is the part of the fan cover that says Tess Hanna.
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And I was like, you know what? It's after fan, but it works. The name plays, right? And so there's a lovely moment of going to the hospital and a match cut between the past, a young Rebecca meeting Randall and middle-aged Rebecca going, talking to Tess. And who's got the line? There's a bar that you have of like, you know, thinking your story begins here, but it actually began
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so kev winds up giving this information to jack and he goes is it not gonna happen he's like he's almost as popular as me dad like it's not gonna happen can i just go get some candy yeah like let me just do my thing yeah you guys can worry about all this other crap right he's like okay so anyway we get to the haunted house we see there is a scare we see my man grab her hand
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Something like that. Go ahead.
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You guys keep talking. I'm going to find this. I know it's here somewhere.
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And on this one you're talking to babies.
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Yeah. Wait, so okay, I found it. Okay. The line goes, you think that you're at the beginning of your journey, right? But you also began a long time ago. Do you know that? Because I was there and somebody else was there too. Somebody really good. And we lost a baby and we thought it was an ending. but it was also a beginning. Life has a middle too.
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And middles can be the hardest because that's when you can get really lost. But middles can be a beginning sometimes. And if you're lucky, you can have it all. And you are lucky.
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Yeah. Yeah, because one's present doesn't mean the other can't be present as well. That's right. Right?
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Absolutely. Yeah, and you also, you have the last line, which I saved because I wanted you to get that in.
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you know i thought my journey had come to an end but i don't know maybe we're both at our next beginning we go to facebook and we see miguel chime in and say hey congratulations on your first grandchild what have you and you see just this wonderful like you start to write something and then you erase it and then you just say something simple like How are you?
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It was very basic, but it was also the fact that you erased- It was the contemplation. A little bit of nerves. A little bit of nerves. To restate was like, ooh.
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And it's pure joy from young Kate. He grabbed my hand, I gotta go tell so-and-so, and Jack is all happy. Turn to see Kev emptying his bag of candy into old boy's bag, right? Jack comes over and says, dude, did you just give him candy so he would hold your sister's hand? He's like, I can always get more candy, Dad. just as simple as, now can I keep it moving?
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Again, this was the second 102 echo from like Randall's breakdown to Miguel showing up for the first time as grandpa and now seeing like the beginnings of what, how that could have.
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Our writers are really good. Very, very good. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. Okay, so that was that.
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We have a guest. Yeah. Right? Miss Zoe Hay. Joining us from the makeup department of our show. So we'll be right back after these messages.
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Ladies and gentlemen, we are back with our very special guest, Miss Zoe Hay. Makeup artist to the stars. I first met Zoe Hay on a little show called American Crime Story, People versus OJ Simpson, where she did my makeup as Christopher Darden and then was delighted to work for another six years together on This Is Us and another season of Paradise which will be premiering in 2025. I love Zoey.
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Look at how fly she is. Her hat, the ascot, the pin. Jamming on the one. How you doing?
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He's like, this was an easy thing to do for my sister. Easy transaction, yeah. Nobody has to know about it. I just need to go get some more candy. He's the dude who's like, I'll take care of myself because everybody else seems to have other things to do, right? Let's go back in time a little bit to Rebecca. Rebecca offers the idea of like, you know what?
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Well, here's the thing too, because no pressure for you because it's either we'll age Mandy or we may have to hire a different actor. Yeah.
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So besides, I mean, cause you would bring in people, like the thing that I learned a lot about your department and sort of like the egolessness of it all is like, okay, there are certain things that I'm very good at and there's certain things that I need help with. Like talk to us about like collect, like Stevie in particular and how instrumental he was in this whole thing.
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Instead of going to the map, let's go to this other house real quick. It's right here. Line is real short. We pop in, pop out. And you see my man almost sort of like short circuit.
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What was your working relationship with him? And how did you know he was the person to come on to help with all the prosthetics?
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So you can make some different looks. You're also like the facial care wizard of... of first of all, Jack and everybody else who ever had to do facial hair on the show or whatnot. We talk a little bit, cause you love it. Like I go into the trailer and just seeing you take little pieces of hair and put it on the piece of net and just sort of comb it and put it together and shape it together.
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Right? And she talks about the ability to improv and how you don't have to stay so rigid because I think Jack called him rigid earlier and she says he's anxious. I think you've differentiated in that specific way. But now as you're seeing it, it's like, hey man, we can take steps out of our comfort zone too. So it's not always this way.
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This is just me right here. So take a look because we may need to duplicate something for season two.
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That's always my goal. In this particular episode of the 20s, right? So we weren't aging forward anything. We were aging backwards, the big three. It was the day of Tess being born. You have Justin, who's massaging people's hair, shampooing people's hair. And Chrissy, I want to talk about the haircut. The bangs. Yeah, we could talk about the haircut. I was like, that's a choice.
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But she, like this, so much foundation. Talk about like how you make people look younger. Because I don't know if I ever looked younger or not, but you just shave them as cleanly as possible.
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So wait, the youngest anybody, Mandy, you did one shot of like 16.
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Did you do any, I remember you had pigtails.
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Mandy Moore can do it. And then, like, I remember, Zoe, when you were doing the makeup test for Mandy for season six for The End, and, like, I remember walking and seeing you, and, like, I just started crying.
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Like, it was so... You guys, there's a special sort of wizardry that you pulled off for six seasons. The fact, Mandy's the youngest of all of us, playing the eldest of all of us, and nobody blinked an eye the entire time. A testimony to the thespianic charms of Mandy Moore, but also to the crew.
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Would you say the most challenging was it at the end of season six when you had everybody in the future? How many people did you have in old age that you had to deal with it at any one time the most?
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So they finish off at that house. And what is that happens? Like you could tell like something's not quite.
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Is there anything outside of age work that you remember in particular, whether it was scarring for anybody going through anything like that, that sort of sticks out in terms of a fun thing to play with makeup-wise in the course of the show?
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That was a great knee. Yeah.
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Any other questions you guys got?
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Correct. And it's not even the adoption. It is the fact that there was a third child.
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Not anymore. Not anymore. Three kids. I'm tired.
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That's where I first met Zoe. Look at you guys. Yeah. Taking it back. Mandy Moore is ageless. You could still. Yes.
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Okay, you're on set. She's in this undisclosed location because she's doing top secret dope ass work right now. Thank you, Zoe Hay, for making time. Thank you, Zoe.
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I think for him, it was always just the twins. Well, it's both, right? Is it both?
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He's holding his mustache. It's clearly not his mustache. He's got to be careful with that one.
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She does have the jersey. She's got the part going down the middle.
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I like this one on the right. Very scary, though. Those dolls. With the three dolls. Very scary. Wow.
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But they did commit by getting robot babies.
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Yeah, it turned out good. I did a Jack Pearson thing one Halloween where I wore his military hat.
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I have a military hat from set, and then I put on an army jacket, et cetera.
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Yeah, and some fatigues. Cool. And then got too drunk.
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That's okay. Well, in the middle here, what I appreciate is the head sizes of the dolls.
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Well, mine. The one on the left? Well, the black baby's head seems small.
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For the poor guy on Kelsey Frew's picture, his head looks small for his body. I'm concerned.
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That's right, because you guys were at the fair.
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Jack and Rebecca's. Jack and Rebecca's the way to go, because the babies contextualize, right, in the first two.
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Oh, that's nice. Oh, wow, and then someone went with...
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Did you and dad lose the baby and just couldn't find it? And you said, we didn't lose him. He didn't live. And you are the way it always was supposed to be, is something that you say. And then he asked what his name was, Kyle. And then you tell him Kyle. He said, Kyle probably looked like you and daddy and them, nobody looks like me. Right?
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The slow cooker. Oh, by the way, though, I actually have to give props. Our middle picture here by Sean.Harve, she kind of looks like you, Mandy.
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The hairstyling in particular. Also on the left, that's a good one, too, from that same period of time. She's got the beret. She nailed that. No, these are all good. They all have black babies. We have Cabbage Patch dolls. That's a nice little touch in the middle there.
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Which I appreciate. And then, of course, the slow cooker. Where did they even get Cabbage Patch dolls? On the right. They're still around. I'm sure. They're like vintage.
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A lot happened. We're talking about the 20s. We see Kevin being a bad person to his roommate, trying to steal his man's like, his role that he just got, he booked. Kate is sleeping with married men. Randall is- We're retreading the podcast episode.
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I did deliver my first child by myself because the midwives didn't get there in time. And sometimes it happens on all fours, Dan. Damn straight.
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And so it also sort of makes me wonder too, because I wasn't clear on this, whether or not, he heard that from them that night, or it's something he'd heard from that family before, and that's why he didn't want to go to that house. That's how I took it. That's how you took it. Yes. That's also kind of how I took it. So it wasn't just him being, he's like, I don't want to go back to this house.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because even when he goes to the pool in the past, he's like, I picked this pool because I know black people are here. And he's like, I don't have to tell everybody all the parts of the plan. I just know that the plan is for a reason. Yeah.
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So we can keep it moving forward. We're talking about the 20s, and it took me a second to realize, like, at first I was like, why is this episode called the 20s?
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Okay, so we're on the same boat then, because it wasn't just that night then. Okay, so now we can go... I mean, this essentially sets the tone for...
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Okay, let's do Kate first. Let's do Kate first. So Kate is waitressing. She's doing night school. And she's banging. I mean, she has bangs.
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Are we going back to the roaring 20s or something? But it's sort of talking about the big three when they are in their 20s. Yes. Formative years. But before we get to the 20s, we're going to go back to the past, and it's Hallow's Eve.
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She's got a sort of regular customer that comes in and whatnot. And there's a flirtation. There's a flirtation that transpires between the two of them. She's trying to figure out what he's doing for his night. He's like, I'm going to go to his bar, hang out, da, da, da. And so she had something else that she was going to do. She's in college. She's in night school. She had to go to night school.
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Classes got canceled or something. So she winds up going to his bar and he sees her. They see each other, make eyes, whatnot. His friends are with him, et cetera. And she's like, yeah, I was wondering if you want to buy me a drink or whatnot. He's like, you know what? Why don't we get out of here? And she's like, oh, okay.
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So they get out of there and they go to her place. Banging with bangs. And they, you know, post-coital, we see. That's a nice way to say it. Thank you. You know, they had a good time with each other, doing what adults do. And she sort of.
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I have to repeat it. Okay. Banging with bangs. Mandy, do you want to? Banging with bangs.
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Hot take. And so a sister is not stupid. She understands what's going on. As soon as you saw other people see me, you knew to get me out of there because you're married, right? And he's like, yeah. And she's like, if you knew, then why did you do it? And she's just like, I'm just kind of tired of waiting for stuff, you know?
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And I know it wasn't necessarily the best thing to do or whatnot, but I feel like I've spent so much time waiting for my life to take place that I just wanted to do, right?
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Roy, is that where we end Kate's? Is it just sort of end with her?
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Kids are all getting ready to go trick-or-treating. We see Randall coming up with a detailed map of how they should sort of chart out the houses that they go to so they can maximize their candy before going to the haunted.
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Right, everybody gets in this way.
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Could you- Just a scalp massage? That feels good. Oh yeah, someone will give you a good scalp massage. A little phrenology up in that piece, man. That's right.
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So, Kev. We go back to his apartment. He has got a roommate. Him and his roommate are both sort of struggling actors working through this thing. His roommate just gets like the best part, career break, right? And he says, Kev, you should come to this party. The director's having this party. You know, all you need is an opportunity to make a meet, et cetera, et cetera. Who knows what's gonna come?
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So Kev's like, yo, man, thanks. Very generous.
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So this director, this actor who plays the director, his name's Jeremiah Burkett. I did the regional premiere of Top Dog, Underdog with him at the Hanger Theater in Ithaca, New York. Wow.
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that guy, right? So it was good to see Jeremiah up on screen doing his thing. He's a great actor. No kidding. Oh gosh, this was a heartbreaking moment.
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I think for us as thespians, recognizing just how rare opportunities are and how being able to have an air of gratitude and appreciation, like a win for somebody else does not take something away from you was not a philosophy that Kevin was familiar with. That's right. because he gets an opportunity to talk to the director.
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And he's like, you know, the way the character is described as sort of this all-American guy, sort of handsome, good looking or whatever. And you're like, like my roommate. Yeah, it's a little bit different. I was just wondering if you wanted to hear somebody sort of read it that had more of the way the character was written. And he looks at him like, yo, Yeah. Wow.
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Like, I thought I had you pegged. Dirtbag. You know what I'm saying? Like, pretty boy, sort of peaked in high school, had everything going for him. But never did I think that you would roll up in here and try to take your dude's part. Yeah. You will never work for me in any capacity, in any arena, and walked off.
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And I was... Listen, we wind up finding later on because they have a conversation, Kevin and Kate, that's where it ends because they go to- Randall's, they get to Randall's. Randall's. They go to Randall's and we'll rewind for Randall's. Find out why they're there. But they talk about like, I'm, you know, dating married men and I haven't had an audition in a year.
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Right. Kev's like, this is dumb, right?
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It's not going well. As they have a little bit of wine or whatnot. And there is, I've seen this in Friends. who've gone through this journey or whatnot, when that desperation sets in, right? Because so much of the auditioning process, this is sort of like a little bit of a tangential thing, is walking into the room with confidence.
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And when you haven't been validated for over a year and haven't had an opportunity for over a year, that is eroded, right? And it becomes a self-fulfilling sort of thing that like, oh, I'm not going to get anything because what I'm projecting is just desperation. So I just have to say that. As an actor, I was like,
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Oh, it hurt me deeply because then he goes back to his roommates, uh, his place and the roommate said like, find another roommate dude.
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Totally. Yeah. Okay. So those are what's happening. We find them at Randall's house because we're on the day of Tess's birth.
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We don't know that yet, right?
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Beth is out of belly and it says like the induction date I think is tomorrow. Yes. Yeah. Because Rebecca is coming in tonight so that she can be present for the inducing, right? Randall's putting up the ceiling fan and he's having a tough time with it. It's just not going the way that he wants it to. There's a little bit of frustration setting in. You can see Beth is sort of
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walking on eggshells around him, like, you okay, baby? Like, everything's fine. We're gonna be good. And she's the one who's scheduled to deliver tomorrow. Right.
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And what those scenes look like. I'm excited.
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Hot take. Hot take. Hot take. Hot take. The three of us cannot harmonize. All right.
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Hot take. Two ways to say that name.
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I had a motorcycle. Your mother and I used to make love in exotic places. Now look at us, covered in hummus. Covered in hummus.
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No, you don't. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. It is Christmas time.
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Multicolored Christmas lights. Christmas lights.