Steve Ahlman

But what I'm saying is that this was going to be something that with all of these movies that he's made before, he's also made films that veered from this.

He's made movies that are smaller.

He's made movies that are more direct.

He made The Color Purple.

So he's the greatest filmmaker probably of all time in terms of his ability to touch different people.

But in this one, there was so much in it that at the end, it was kind of barren.

It didn't get there.

Give me an example of that.

Give me an example of something where, because I'm not disagreeing with you that I had a problem with that, but give me an example of particularly an Amblin or Spielberg movie where something just works out because it does and there's no explanation.

But I do think that that would happen.

So this is, I do think that

To your point, I actually kind of split between the two of you guys.

Like, if somebody walked in here... Like, if my dad walked in here right now, I'm going to lose it.

Right?

So, like, I do understand that it just wasn't deployed in a coherent way.

No, it wasn't.

Not in any coherent way.

So, like, if...

All of those people are right there, and they're concentrated, right?

It would be one thing if there was an escape and it was one person.