Steve Bannon

We have to have the Arabs with us.

If they're not with us, then I think that's another conversation.

Steve, the thing that strikes me about your estimation as to what would define victory, you didn't mention leadership.

You didn't mention a change in leadership or the installment of some sort of Iranian leadership.

Does that not factor into you?

Well, listen, I think if you look at it, I think President Trump's right.

I mean, he took out the Ayatollah.

He's taken out all the way down, I think, to the brigade level on the Revolutionary Guard, right?

If he finds somebody to negotiate with,

That, to me, by definition, is the leadership.

If he finds somebody to negotiate with, he hasn't found it yet, right?

We have a path through the Pakistanis.

There's some other group that keeps giving, you know, negative feedback.

But once he finds that group, that Witkoff or the vice president or Jared Kushner, whoever's in the room with our people, I would say, by definition, that's the leadership he's comfortable enough with that can... So it's almost...

You find out who you can negotiate with that can actually represent the country, as shattered as it is, and then that, to me, is the leadership you deal with.

You wonder if they can find a Delcy Rodriguez over in Iran.

You wonder if that can happen.

It's whack-a-mole over there, Steve.

It's whack-a-mole.

I think the Delcy Rodriguez thing, as you know, developed over time.