Steve Bannon

I mean, is it one of the reasons we're not hearing it?

It's not just the mainstream media's and the media's fault.

There's something about the church is not putting this front and center as that, hey, there's a problem here.

They're coming after us in a very organized way, whether that's in communist China, in sub-Saharan Africa, in eradication of the Christians in the cradle of Christianity, which is the Near East or the Middle East.

I mean, isn't one of the central things to hear that either –

Because of they're afraid to talk about it or they just are they like their international organizations and they don't want to be out there actually defending Christianity that the more official aspects of the Christian and Catholic Church won't address this.

This is what the savvy and smart emperors, cunning emperors in the first century and second century offered up was the accommodation.

Just be performative.

All you got to do is burn a little bit of incense.

They didn't even demand that you believe it.

All you have to do is give me a little burn there in the dish and go about your merry way.

Isn't that exactly what's happened here with the institutional church in the 21st century?

When the church is under, as you make in the book, one of the things that's most compelling, you actually make the case that the persecution today in the 21st century is probably worse in any metric you want to look at than in the first and second century of the early church, sir.

Did you see any – because I know you follow this and we follow it quite closely.

Do you remember any –

big names in either the institutional Protestant church or the Catholic church, or even come up and condemn what happened against the children at the covenant school?

Was there any outrage at all in the Christian community as far as you saw it?

I mean, your warning is why things are going to get worse.

Isn't one of the reasons they're going to get worse because—

Christian leadership, Christian leadership in the Catholic Church, the mainstream Protestant churches, leading evangelicals, were to basically draw a line now and say, this is going to stop on our watch.