Steve Bannon

Just be performative.

All you got to do is burn a little bit of incense.

They didn't even demand that you believe it.

All you have to do is give me a little burn there in the dish and go about your merry way.

Isn't that exactly what's happened here with the institutional church in the 21st century?

When the church is under, as you make in the book, one of the things that's most compelling, you actually make the case that the persecution today in the 21st century is probably worse in any metric you want to look at than in the first and second century of the early church, sir.

Did you see any – because I know you follow this and we follow it quite closely.

Do you remember any –

big names in either the institutional Protestant church or the Catholic church, or even come up and condemn what happened against the children at the covenant school?

Was there any outrage at all in the Christian community as far as you saw it?

I mean, your warning is why things are going to get worse.

Isn't one of the reasons they're going to get worse because—

Christian leadership, Christian leadership in the Catholic Church, the mainstream Protestant churches, leading evangelicals, were to basically draw a line now and say, this is going to stop on our watch.

Isn't that one of the most important things?

Isn't that the beginning of stopping it getting worse?

Tom, if you could hang on for a second, we're going to take a short commercial break.

We've got Dr. Tom Williams, who's the author of many, many books, principally about theology.

He's written this really for Crisis Publication, The Coming Christian Persecution.

When someone as deep and profound as Dr. Williams takes on about the persecution of the Christian church, particularly the subtitle, Why Things Are Getting Worse and How to Prepare for What Is to Come.

If you're if you're a believing Christian is quite stark a book, but a must read.