Steve Bunting

Because there's so many physiological things that we're just not addressing at all.

Something as simple as trying to get TRT from the VA.

you have testosterone levels in the hundreds right like 100 200 and they don't want to address it but they want to give you psychotropic meds for your ptsd there's a big issue there man and i think it's undeniable that that line's there as long as we continue to ignore those things i think we're not going to get any headway on this ptsd stuff no matter what cool stuff we bring to the table

But you go there.

No, I'm guilty as well.

Right.

I would like to say that the last time I tried was in probably 20, probably 2018.

I tried and I finally did get a prescription, but they wanted to give you one shot every three weeks.

And it was just going to be an endocrine system roller coaster that I wasn't willing to participate in.

So they weren't willing to manage it.

They wouldn't give me a consultation to an endocrinologist, a specialist who could actually like build it out and knew what they were talking about.

Unfortunately, it was like a nurse practitioner at the VA and I didn't want to risk it.

Right.

Trying to play that game, even if it meant that I didn't have to pay out of pocket.

I was willing to work with a professional and pay out of pocket.

Man, man.

I don't want to interrupt you before you sign.

I got a couple gifts for you.

Love gifts.

So, yeah.