Steve Crossman

However, the commission's written reasons that have come out are really, really explosive, actually, around what happened at Southampton.

And one of the things that has been revealed as part of it is the commission talking about how central a role Tonda Eckert played in the operation, but specifically about treatment of interns.

So the commission found a effectively a top down system of pressuring these young people.

it was described by the commission as being deplorable.

And the reason I just think it's worth bringing up, because it's linked to everything else around this story, Tonda Eckert's obviously a young German coach.

What was his profile before this?

What is his profile now?

Do you think that extra bit of information from the commission's report might sort of shift the dial on that, that the commission has found that he was... Because it's almost that news, that commission report almost takes it away from spying to kind of treatment of junior employees, doesn't it?

So I'm just kind of wondering whether that sort of thing might...

Yeah, might shift the dial or not, I guess is what I'm asking.

I know it's a difficult question to ask, Raph, but it's just kind of because it's news that we've only got in the last hour.

Yeah, good answer to a bit of a hospital pass of a question, Raf.

So thank you for that.

I'm used to it, Steve.

Hey!

Hey!

Yeah, I mean, it was that bad.

It was both of those things.

Right, we're going to stay in Germany.

Let's talk about national team selections.