Steve Denehan

You know, they're doing it on a smaller scale in their communities, in their families or wherever, at their workplace.

But they're looking to him as this sort of hero bully, you know, that's worrying.

It's very worrying.

I would have believed until quite recently that

were born good.

They know that we're intrinsically good.

Like, hate, bullying, all of that learned behaviour.

That if we were left to our own devices and, you know, if you were to start tomorrow the whole human race again...

Yeah.

I know what you mean.

That we'd all be good.

We're sort of hardwired to be good.

I'd love, yeah, I'd love to think that.

But you don't agree with me?

For the most part, I think so.

I think, obviously, people are a massive product of their environment and all of that.

But,

I just find it very disappointing that we're so easily swayed away from that into these, you know, you've got these the kind of hyper masculinity at the moment and all that kind of stuff.

And it's just it's just so disappointing because it's so blatantly wrong.

It's very frustrating, you know.