Steve Greenblatt

Yeah, for me, it comes back to personality types.

And that's something that I'm big on is that the typical personality type of a programmer is a very, I use the DISC method is a high C, which is somebody who is,

like you said, is analytical, is very detail-oriented, is very specific.

They are somebody who is going to be in the weeds a lot.

They're going to be the ones that are reading all the documentation and

and doing things following the rules, let's say.

And a lot of these are different qualities, and not every programmer possesses them all to the same degree.

But a lot of times, that's what makes up a good programmer.

managers have to live in the gray a little bit more, as you said.

Things aren't as black and white.

You have to be able to make adjustments and you have to adapt to situations.

Now, I'm going to probably call myself out is that I may not fit the prototypical

manager or even a business owner because I come from more of the background of the C-type personality.

But I've gotten to learn and build the muscles that I need and continue to learn.

But there are some things that are inherent in good leaders and good managers that are very common to them.

You have to be very goal-oriented and driven, and you have to, as you mentioned, be able to work with people and personalities.

You're not just working with a machine.

But there's a certain amount of sensitivity that comes into that role, and I think some programmers could strive, could

really succeed in, in that place because they have that, they possess the, the patience and the ability to, you know, to, to deal with, um, situations, but it's, um, there are, there are different roles and different responsibilities.

And just because you're very good at something doesn't mean that then you should manage people, uh, that are doing