Steve Greenblatt

all the time seeing the bigger picture and understanding what is important about why they're doing what they're doing or also how to understand the significance of achieving the outcome.

They've been given this task to do and that's their mindset is I need to get this done.

So I think that there's certainly a different perspective that goes into it.

Absolutely.

And, and, you know, one of the things that I've seen people struggle with too, is we want to get the job done, but we want programmers tend to be about the, the outcome, the quality, the, the, the aesthetics of it, not necessarily about getting it done quickly and profitably, if you will.

whatever that, whatever profitably means.

But managers are driven more about, hey, I need you to get this done because this is the time allotted, whether there's a cost associated with it or whether it's in a schedule to get done because we have to move on to the next thing.

So that can also be a little bit of an inner conflict that you have to deal with it.

Before we wrap up, can you maybe share, I shared in our last episode about when I was at a crossroads about continuing to be a programmer or shifting to run a company.

It wasn't that long ago that you moved out of being a programmer to being a manager.

What was that thought process?

I like that.

And I can relate.

I had similar ambition, but I didn't always really know what it was going to take to get there or what it was going to involve once I did get there.

But it was always in my mind that I wanted to be more at a management level.

And that was an ambition, maybe because that's what I was told to do.

But it was something that I, you know,

was, um, going myself.

Um, the other side of it was just, you know, developing a passion for business as well.

And, and I, I love the tech, but I, but I think that I'm more of a bigger picture thinker than, you know, being, doing the, um, the, the specifics of it.