Steve Greenblatt

You know, so it's kind of two different dialogues, but we're going to mash them up and see where we go with it.

So James, we both, again, we've both been in these roles before and we're both,

And these are both relevant conversations for us where we are and what we do day to day.

So tell me a little bit about your thoughts.

Yeah, for me, it comes back to personality types.

And that's something that I'm big on is that the typical personality type of a programmer is a very, I use the DISC method is a high C, which is somebody who is,

like you said, is analytical, is very detail-oriented, is very specific.

They are somebody who is going to be in the weeds a lot.

They're going to be the ones that are reading all the documentation and

and doing things following the rules, let's say.

And a lot of these are different qualities, and not every programmer possesses them all to the same degree.

But a lot of times, that's what makes up a good programmer.

managers have to live in the gray a little bit more, as you said.

Things aren't as black and white.

You have to be able to make adjustments and you have to adapt to situations.

Now, I'm going to probably call myself out is that I may not fit the prototypical

manager or even a business owner because I come from more of the background of the C-type personality.

But I've gotten to learn and build the muscles that I need and continue to learn.

But there are some things that are inherent in good leaders and good managers that are very common to them.

You have to be very goal-oriented and driven, and you have to, as you mentioned, be able to work with people and personalities.