Steve Herz

I think there's never going to be a shortage for companies to improve their culture. And I think it's a need. Ultimately, you know, like you said earlier, skills and abilities are great, but what need are you filling in another company or another person's life? And if you're not fulfilling a need, then there's no value to it.

I think there's never going to be a shortage for companies to improve their culture. And I think it's a need. Ultimately, you know, like you said earlier, skills and abilities are great, but what need are you filling in another company or another person's life? And if you're not fulfilling a need, then there's no value to it.

I think there's never going to be a shortage for companies to improve their culture. And I think it's a need. Ultimately, you know, like you said earlier, skills and abilities are great, but what need are you filling in another company or another person's life? And if you're not fulfilling a need, then there's no value to it.

Thanks, Heather. Happy to be here.

Thanks, Heather. Happy to be here.

Thanks, Heather. Happy to be here.

Sure. So when I was in my second year of law school at Vanderbilt in 1990, I worked for a law firm called Curtis Malay Prevost, a Park Avenue law firm in New York. And the way the law works is that you get to find out if you get a job coming back at the end of law school after your second summer. And so it's a big deal. Most of the good jobs are taken in that wave of job offers.

Sure. So when I was in my second year of law school at Vanderbilt in 1990, I worked for a law firm called Curtis Malay Prevost, a Park Avenue law firm in New York. And the way the law works is that you get to find out if you get a job coming back at the end of law school after your second summer. And so it's a big deal. Most of the good jobs are taken in that wave of job offers.

Sure. So when I was in my second year of law school at Vanderbilt in 1990, I worked for a law firm called Curtis Malay Prevost, a Park Avenue law firm in New York. And the way the law works is that you get to find out if you get a job coming back at the end of law school after your second summer. And so it's a big deal. Most of the good jobs are taken in that wave of job offers.

And at the very end of the summer at Curtis Prevost, there were, I think there were 29 or 30 summer associates. And I was the last one to be called into the managing partner of the program's office. His name was Turner Smith. And all of the 29 previous kids that had gone in before me were all given offers.

And at the very end of the summer at Curtis Prevost, there were, I think there were 29 or 30 summer associates. And I was the last one to be called into the managing partner of the program's office. His name was Turner Smith. And all of the 29 previous kids that had gone in before me were all given offers.

And at the very end of the summer at Curtis Prevost, there were, I think there were 29 or 30 summer associates. And I was the last one to be called into the managing partner of the program's office. His name was Turner Smith. And all of the 29 previous kids that had gone in before me were all given offers.

And it was kind of a very euphoric feeling in the office in the last week of the program, that August of 1990. And I walked in, and he looked at me, and he said, we take it very seriously when we don't give someone an offer. We really know that it's putting kind of a black mark on your record. It's going to make it very hard for you to get a job in the law.

And it was kind of a very euphoric feeling in the office in the last week of the program, that August of 1990. And I walked in, and he looked at me, and he said, we take it very seriously when we don't give someone an offer. We really know that it's putting kind of a black mark on your record. It's going to make it very hard for you to get a job in the law.

And it was kind of a very euphoric feeling in the office in the last week of the program, that August of 1990. And I walked in, and he looked at me, and he said, we take it very seriously when we don't give someone an offer. We really know that it's putting kind of a black mark on your record. It's going to make it very hard for you to get a job in the law.

And in your case, we didn't really stress about it. We're not giving you an offer. And we don't think you should practice law. And he said, I don't even think you should. Maybe you shouldn't even consider finishing law school. And I think you would be much better suited coming back here as a client, as a business owner or a businessman, rather than continuing the law.

And in your case, we didn't really stress about it. We're not giving you an offer. And we don't think you should practice law. And he said, I don't even think you should. Maybe you shouldn't even consider finishing law school. And I think you would be much better suited coming back here as a client, as a business owner or a businessman, rather than continuing the law.

And in your case, we didn't really stress about it. We're not giving you an offer. And we don't think you should practice law. And he said, I don't even think you should. Maybe you shouldn't even consider finishing law school. And I think you would be much better suited coming back here as a client, as a business owner or a businessman, rather than continuing the law.

And so that was the gut punch. And I kind of reeled out of his office with a whole new focus of what the rest of my life would look like. Because up until then, those first 25 years were directly in that one singular manner of I'm going to become a lawyer.

And so that was the gut punch. And I kind of reeled out of his office with a whole new focus of what the rest of my life would look like. Because up until then, those first 25 years were directly in that one singular manner of I'm going to become a lawyer.