Steve Hilton

this mindset of what they call compassion, which is you can't force people to do something.

And the result is this squalor and danger.

And parents, they walk their kids to school and they're literally stepping over dead people.

We've OD'd from fentanyl.

okay do you want me to i'll get into it but it's a it's a it's a terrible sorry story it's what we do at trigonometry i know i'll get into it so okay it actually goes back to something that i really can do something about as governor so it's worth really understanding the sort of detail here so it goes back to prison overcrowding

And there was a Supreme Court ruling, I don't know, this is like in the early 2010s, I can't remember exactly when, that said California's jails, prisons, state prisons are overcrowded, it's inhumane, you've got to do something about it.

So instead of doing what I think most sensible people say, right, well, let's build some more so we have room for the criminals that we need to produce, say, oh no, let's let everyone out, and that's the way that you deal with it.

So there was this whole process for a few years where the goal,

and it's a big part of what they call criminal justice reform, was decarceration.

Decarceration, taking people out of jail.

And as a part of that, there was a whole combination of things, and the big one that related to criminal justice reform

The point you make about shoplifting was a ballot initiative in 2014 called Proposition 47.

And that was the one that famously is associated with Kamala Harris because she was state attorney general.

But to be accurate and fair, it wasn't her thing.

It was a ballot initiative that was put together by, you know, leftist activists supported by the then governor, Jerry Brown, very strongly supported.

And she said she was neutral.

But actually, as Attorney General, it wasn't at all the way the language was written on the ballot initiative was basically selling.

It was literally called something insane, like not the name of it, but the description and then all the marketing was the Safe Neighborhoods and Schools Act.

And that's where you got this thing, which is up to $950 a day you could steal per day.

And it would just be a misdemeanor, like a parking ticket, basically, not a felony, so no jail time.