Steve Klabnik

Okay. So rain, while you think of the answer, I would just say, have you ever done this brain? I go to chat GPT and I think like, yeah, surely there is a crate for this. And I describe the crate that I want. And I,

a thousand percent it's like all you have to do cargo ad smorgasbord then smorgasbord you know colon colon whatever and it'll do exactly what you want i'm like thank you so much gen gbt like crate doesn't exist or it just exists or it exists and it does something totally unrelated to it but i've never got it i've never had it say sorry like nope nothing

a thousand percent it's like all you have to do cargo ad smorgasbord then smorgasbord you know colon colon whatever and it'll do exactly what you want i'm like thank you so much gen gbt like crate doesn't exist or it just exists or it exists and it does something totally unrelated to it but i've never got it i've never had it say sorry like nope nothing

Sure, yeah.

Sure, yeah.

I used to like hold my finger at a place when I wasn't sure what decision I wanted to make and then like choose one and be like, nah, nevermind. And like back up one. And then like, I started getting a stack of like, I can't hold three of my fingers in three different places in this book at the same time.

I used to like hold my finger at a place when I wasn't sure what decision I wanted to make and then like choose one and be like, nah, nevermind. And like back up one. And then like, I started getting a stack of like, I can't hold three of my fingers in three different places in this book at the same time.

I think you can safely say that it overshot the mark. How did you not reference this to Alexander when he was asking for a book that influenced you most significantly? Like, like fish skunk works.

I think you can safely say that it overshot the mark. How did you not reference this to Alexander when he was asking for a book that influenced you most significantly? Like, like fish skunk works.

Orhun, who is a maintainer for Ratatouille, met over at Rust Lab in Florence, Italy, which I've mentioned a couple times on the pod. And he's going to be joining us in two weeks at 9 a.m. Pacific, which is some other time in Turkey. So, yeah, really excited to be talking about Ratatouille with him.

Orhun, who is a maintainer for Ratatouille, met over at Rust Lab in Florence, Italy, which I've mentioned a couple times on the pod. And he's going to be joining us in two weeks at 9 a.m. Pacific, which is some other time in Turkey. So, yeah, really excited to be talking about Ratatouille with him.

I mean, to the contrary of being a popularity contest, I mean, how many crates have you gone to? that have a really thoughtful, like see these other crates section. And I really appreciate it because not that they're apologizing for existing, but explaining like, no, this is not NIH.

I mean, to the contrary of being a popularity contest, I mean, how many crates have you gone to? that have a really thoughtful, like see these other crates section. And I really appreciate it because not that they're apologizing for existing, but explaining like, no, this is not NIH.

Like I built this because I looked at these other things and I evaluated them and they didn't meet my needs, but they probably do meet your needs. So like, don't use my thing just because I built it. Like go use the thing that meets your needs. It's incredibly thoughtful.

Like I built this because I looked at these other things and I evaluated them and they didn't meet my needs, but they probably do meet your needs. So like, don't use my thing just because I built it. Like go use the thing that meets your needs. It's incredibly thoughtful.

Yeah. I remember that being something, I'm not sure if we did open an issue or not, but yeah.

Yeah. I remember that being something, I'm not sure if we did open an issue or not, but yeah.

I don't know about the specific differences, but Cliff definitely looked at Postcard whenever we were doing the Hubris serialization stuff. It definitely took a lot of inspiration from it, but did ultimately decide to design his own thing.

I don't know about the specific differences, but Cliff definitely looked at Postcard whenever we were doing the Hubris serialization stuff. It definitely took a lot of inspiration from it, but did ultimately decide to design his own thing.

Yeah, this is great. I've known about this for a while, unlike some folks. But I've sort of resisted using it just because it felt heavyweight, if you know what I mean. I think exactly as you're saying, Rainn, about this this kind of dichotomy between kind of big framework versus kind of lean and mean. Um, but this is a great endorsement and a good reminder to go at least kick the tires.