Steve Kramer

for genetic genealogy, which that profile, the vernacular is, we call it a SNP. It stands for single nucleotide polymorphism, S-N-P. So they had already developed, they'd sent the DNA from the Dana, Ireland homicide, sexual assault to a private lab to develop this DNA profile called the SNP. And they had already uploaded that profile to a database. And that's when they brought it to us.

for genetic genealogy, which that profile, the vernacular is, we call it a SNP. It stands for single nucleotide polymorphism, S-N-P. So they had already developed, they'd sent the DNA from the Dana, Ireland homicide, sexual assault to a private lab to develop this DNA profile called the SNP. And they had already uploaded that profile to a database. And that's when they brought it to us.

Yeah, they had initially started it, and they had developed the SNP and uploaded it. And then Barry, after talking to me the previous year, indicated that he wanted to start doing more genetic genealogy. We have a software, and he wanted to try out our company's software. Technically, we're not even in beta testing at that time, back in February.

Yeah, they had initially started it, and they had developed the SNP and uploaded it. And then Barry, after talking to me the previous year, indicated that he wanted to start doing more genetic genealogy. We have a software, and he wanted to try out our company's software. Technically, we're not even in beta testing at that time, back in February.

But obviously, we've always been interested in working with the Innocence Project. I'd spoken with folks from the Innocence Project a couple years earlier and volunteered to help them. And so this was the opportunity. So we were just really anxious to see what we could do for an Innocence Project case. And the reason for that, obviously,

But obviously, we've always been interested in working with the Innocence Project. I'd spoken with folks from the Innocence Project a couple years earlier and volunteered to help them. And so this was the opportunity. So we were just really anxious to see what we could do for an Innocence Project case. And the reason for that, obviously,

to seek the truth, to get justice for victims, but also it provides a derivative benefit to the technique, and that being if you can put people in prison with this technique or help put people in prison, then you can also help get people out They just give us login information to the database with the profiles uploaded. I never saw the sample or anything like that. So we just upload it.

to seek the truth, to get justice for victims, but also it provides a derivative benefit to the technique, and that being if you can put people in prison with this technique or help put people in prison, then you can also help get people out They just give us login information to the database with the profiles uploaded. I never saw the sample or anything like that. So we just upload it.

Steve and I took a look at what we call matches. Matches are simply, it's a term for people that share DNA. Yeah. So if you were to do an Ancestry 23andMe test, something like that, you're going to get a list of people. It could be thousands, thousands of people long. And these are all people that share a small percentage of DNA with you. And that's the way genomics work.

Steve and I took a look at what we call matches. Matches are simply, it's a term for people that share DNA. Yeah. So if you were to do an Ancestry 23andMe test, something like that, you're going to get a list of people. It could be thousands, thousands of people long. And these are all people that share a small percentage of DNA with you. And that's the way genomics work.

You share, everybody shares 50% of their DNA with their mother, 50% with their father, approximately 25% with each of your grandparents. And then the further you get away, the less DNA. So all these databases are showing you is just the percentage of DNA a percentage of DNA with, and they could be a parent, first cousin, a sixth cousin.

You share, everybody shares 50% of their DNA with their mother, 50% with their father, approximately 25% with each of your grandparents. And then the further you get away, the less DNA. So all these databases are showing you is just the percentage of DNA a percentage of DNA with, and they could be a parent, first cousin, a sixth cousin.

So that's what we looked at, that list, and we kind of evaluated, you know, how difficult the genealogy would be in this particular case.

So that's what we looked at, that list, and we kind of evaluated, you know, how difficult the genealogy would be in this particular case.

Sure, I mean, I believe it only took a few days for us to figure it out. And then we spent several more days, you know, trying to confirm everything and, you know, look at other possibilities. But, yeah, in this particular case, after... We got access to the account information. We looked at it. And our company, we have access to these.

Sure, I mean, I believe it only took a few days for us to figure it out. And then we spent several more days, you know, trying to confirm everything and, you know, look at other possibilities. But, yeah, in this particular case, after... We got access to the account information. We looked at it. And our company, we have access to these.

We have arrangements with the companies that we work both with Family Tree, DNA, and GEDmatch. And so we get access to the data, the same information that law enforcement gets access to, and plug it into our software to start arriving at a Family Tree where we could get an idea of what family lineage this person would be belonging to.

We have arrangements with the companies that we work both with Family Tree, DNA, and GEDmatch. And so we get access to the data, the same information that law enforcement gets access to, and plug it into our software to start arriving at a Family Tree where we could get an idea of what family lineage this person would be belonging to.

The unique thing about this case and kind of the difficulty in general with somebody from Hawaii, particularly if they're native Hawaiian, they're gonna have a lot of ancestry that's gonna be in the Pacific Islands, New Zealand, things like that, Maori. ancestry, as well as a mixture maybe from other Asian communities. So it can be very difficult.

The unique thing about this case and kind of the difficulty in general with somebody from Hawaii, particularly if they're native Hawaiian, they're gonna have a lot of ancestry that's gonna be in the Pacific Islands, New Zealand, things like that, Maori. ancestry, as well as a mixture maybe from other Asian communities. So it can be very difficult.