Steve Rinella

Yeah.

So when you were doing that and you were involved in, in, in trying to restore the animals as wildlife.

Yep.

And I think I want to add one interesting point about that is when I first got into the subject all these years ago, someone had mentioned like we had solved the problem of

genetic extinction uh-huh yep right like if you go back to 1900 yeah there was a real risk of the species going genetically extinct or going through like really terror you know it did go through terrible bottlenecks but there was like there was a time when like I've made this point before there was a time when a lightning bolt could have feasibly killed a

A significant percentage of all the animals that existed.

I mean, they were bottlenecked down.

Big time.

And so people were like, we solved the problem of genetic extinction.

Right?

Like, we got different source herds and conservation herds scattered around.

Like, there's no thing that's going to happen.

Right.

They're separated.

There's not like some, like, strain of anthrax is going to all of a sudden infect a herd and kill off half the animals known to exist.

Yep.

So, like, genetic extinction.

But they pointed out that

Ecological extinction that they are like effectively ecologically extinct.

They're not a participating member of the natural biome.