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Steve Saretsky

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2032 total appearances

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The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

And the reason for that is that many trade agreements make it clear that you can't condition investments in this way.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

And among those trade agreements would include Canada's trade deal with the United States.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

So KUSMA or the USMCA under the investment in the investment chapter has restrictions on what would be known as performance requirements.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

So we've got an investment from Canada.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

an entity from the other country, they come in, you can't establish certain kinds of performance requirements.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

This would be a pretty clear-cut example of a performance requirement where you have to invest, but you can't own the IP.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

Even countries like France, Italy, Australia that have pretty high percentages of investment requirements don't take the position sort of absolutely that you can't own the IP.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

And the risk is, in the Canadian context, yes, what are these companies going to do?

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

Well, I think they're going to legally challenge the decision.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

I also think they're going to look to play this out in the trade arena.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

Because what happens is, if this is a prima facie case of violating Canada's trade obligations, then the response from Canada is going to be, well, maybe so, but we've got the right to do that in the treaty because we have a specific exemption for culture.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

The cultural sector has an exemption.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

But there is a condition or a caveat that attaches to that, and that is the U.S.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

is entitled to levy tariffs at an equivalent rate as the benefit that Canada has from using that cultural exemption.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

In other words, if this is worth hundreds of millions of dollars from a Canadian perspective for film and TV,

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

The U.S.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

would be entitled to levy tariffs in the hundreds of millions of dollars, and they can target any sector they want.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

It's not limited just to film and TV.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

They can target dairy or lumber or steel, whatever sector they want.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

They can levy equivalent tariffs.