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Steve Saretsky

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2032 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

Meta, which owns Instagram, as well as Facebook, of course, said from the very beginning that news was not a particularly valuable form of content on their platform.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

And if you think about social media, it's pretty obvious why.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

That platform is all about getting people on the platform, keeping them there as long as possible so they can learn as much about them and serve up as many ads as possible.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

Viewed in that light, news, where you click away from the site, is actually pretty terrible content.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

So they said, well, we don't mind including links to news, but if you're going to force us to pay for linking to news, including, let's be clear, it is our users that are posting these links.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

It's not us.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

We're not indexing this.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

We're not deciding what's there.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

It's users that make these decisions.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

Well, we're just going to stop linking altogether and legislation that.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

is premised on making those that link to news pay for the privilege of linking to the news, of making it available.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

They say, well, OK, fine.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

We fall outside of legislation because we're not linking to it anymore.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

That's that's in a nutshell why you still don't see news links, because the government sort of says we think you're bluffing.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

They go ahead and pass the legislation.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

Meta, through both Facebook and Instagram, cut off the news links, and we've remained in that space for now two and a half, nearly three years.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

The other company that was targeted by all of this was Google.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

Google said similar kinds of things, but their issue was always a little bit different, in part because they, of course, were proactively indexing the news to try to get the best possible search results.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

And so in the end, they negotiated a deal with the government where they

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

are paying $100 million a year.