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Steve Saretsky

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The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

But that's not a legal barrier.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

That's just because there aren't enough resources in the system to help assist on some of those kinds of issues.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

And the other problem that I see is that they have really failed to provide effective use cases or evidence about why this is both needed and proportionate.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

So I think everybody would agree they want law enforcement to be able to do their job effectively and try to identify criminal activity.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

I think, as your question suggests, people would like to see the criminal justice system.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

Once that happens, it feels a little bit like an episode of Law & Order.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

They want that second half to work effectively too.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

But this is at least debating the first half about how do you find the criminals in the first place.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

And part of the problem is that much of the evidence they put forward really is inconsistent with

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

The kind of proposals that are included in the legislation.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

Right.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

So, you know, they'll say, you know, we we might need to be able to track.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

Well, actually, perfect example.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

They said if there's a shooting or another violent incident, we want to be able to know who all the all the bystanders who might have been there at a given moment in time.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

Now, I find that a little bit of a chilling example to say, to literally acknowledge that what they have in mind is this surveillance map where they can go back in time and figure out who was at a given spot.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

Because if you do it for that, you can do it for anything.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

Who went to a political rally?

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

Who went to this?

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

So I think it raises real concerns on that front.

The Loonie Hour
Canada's State Surveillance Bill - w/ guest Michael Geist

But the other is, even if you are convinced that this is something worthwhile, there's just no evidence that you need all of this information for a year.