Steve Tuck

It is unique.

We basically jumped from a building and lived.

I mean, that's, it's, when we started the company, my belief was when we actually hit the series A, you and I would no longer control the company.

I mean, that's just the way it works.

Like if you don't want to do that, don't go, don't have a venture funded business.

Don't go into solving hard decks.

It's like at some point, like people are going to invest capital and they're going to, and I think that, you know, we had an advisor to the company

because you and I have always, you know, it's always been very important to us.

The advice of the company, I think, had some good words.

It's like, just so you know, like there are, in most companies, the founders are not in mathematical control, but that doesn't mean you don't have a huge amount of influence over the board.

And so that's kind of what we anticipated when we started the company.

And we got very lucky.

Well, I'm just being reminded like when sometimes we would tell VCs that and they would get more interested in oxide, not less for the wrong reasons.

I know, I know.

Because when we tell them like, no, we're going whaling, like,

I want to go whaling.

It's like, no, no, no, we're going to die at sea.

You don't want, no, you actually don't want to go whaling.

It's funny because we can think about that.

Like we got lucky that it was just hard enough to raise.