Steven Bartlett

I'll ask them all genuinely curious questions about what they're doing, their incentives.

I won't gotcha them.

I don't have a history of ever gotchering anybody.

Even if I have a different opinion, I'll ask the question.

But they dangle carrots and they say, well, if he's thinking about it, let's think about a date.

And what the strategy is, and I don't think they think most people don't understand, is if we just dangle it for long enough, then they will perform in the way that we want them to do.

And they'll be...

They'll be pleasant about us.

They won't be critical.

They won't give a voice.

They won't platform our critics.

Our critics.

And I think a lot of their game is just dangle the carrot forever.

That's like the optimal outcome is if we just dangle it, if we just tell them, yeah, no, we're just trying to look at the schedule.

It just doesn't work.

I think in the modern world, you just have to go there and give your opinion and allow the clash of ideas in the public forum.

Let the viewers decide for themselves what they think.

So Sam Altman gets kicked off the OpenAI executive team.

Did you find out why that happened?

Ilya, for anyone that doesn't know, is the co-founder we mentioned earlier, the co-founder of OpenAI we mentioned earlier.