Steven Bartlett

I knew lots of people on the center-right,

You know, we were anti-communists, we were, you know, whatever, Thatcherites, Reaganites, and I saw many of them become more radical.

And I thought, this is a really important moment of change, and so I should record it as a witness.

And so that book is the first book that I wrote in the first person.

about something I'd seen.

And that was just me being affected by the world I live in.

Maybe it did matter that I was married to a politician because some things that you would have noticed in a more distant way affected me personally.

Maybe it was the particular circumstances of being both American and Polish and

seeing a similar pattern of things happening in both places.

Either way, I felt that something important was happening, and I've really been motivated for the last decade to explain it to people and try and understand it.

What would regime change really look like in our countries?

Yes.

What would it feel like to live in a very different kind of society?

How would you feel living in a place where suddenly the values shifted?

They were different.

For better or for worse.

We think, for example, free speech is a value.

And we've been arguing about it here.

What does it mean?

What's hate speech?