Steven Bartlett

Yeah, and this is why I say it, because when people hear it, they might think of it as like tastes.

Well, can I ask you as well in there, just are there things about your wife that,

that you don't have as much, but are fundamental values, but you're drawn to because she's kind of giving you them.

I wanted to ask one of the things you said a second ago was about this, the evolutionary basis of, we're talking about happiness and what it is to be happy.

You talked about the partner part.

What is the evolutionary basis of meaning and purpose?

Why do we need that?

Right.

Okay, so putting a bunch of ideas together from your work then to arrive at a conclusion that I haven't heard you say.

I read in the Consuming Instinct, your other book, chapter four, that younger siblings like me.

Yes.

Youngest of four are more likely to be creative.

Oh, you pulled that one out.

Okay.

So does that mean that if we're more likely to be creative and creativity is associated with happiness in the way that you just described, that I am happier than all of my siblings?

Yes.

I also just want to add one layer to that as well.

I was sat at dinner the other day with my, with about 10 of our directors, really they're founders of companies essentially.

And I thought it would be interesting to go around and ask them because I've started to form a bit of a picture about this.

And I went around the table and asked every single one of them, where do you rank in order of siblings?