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Steven Bonnell (Destiny)

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1548 total appearances

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

The Zionist movement up to 1948, Zionist ideology was central to the whole Zionist experience, the whole enterprise up to 1948. And I think Zionist ideology was also important in the first decades of Israel's existence. Slowly the hold of Zionism, if you like, like Bolshevism, held the Soviet Union gradually faded.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

The Zionist movement up to 1948, Zionist ideology was central to the whole Zionist experience, the whole enterprise up to 1948. And I think Zionist ideology was also important in the first decades of Israel's existence. Slowly the hold of Zionism, if you like, like Bolshevism, held the Soviet Union gradually faded.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

And a lot of Israelis today think in terms of individual success and then the capitalism and all sorts of things which are nothing to do with Zionism. But Zionism was very important. But what I'm saying is that the idea of transfer wasn't the core of Zionism. The idea of Zionism was to save the Jews who had been vastly persecuted

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

And a lot of Israelis today think in terms of individual success and then the capitalism and all sorts of things which are nothing to do with Zionism. But Zionism was very important. But what I'm saying is that the idea of transfer wasn't the core of Zionism. The idea of Zionism was to save the Jews who had been vastly persecuted

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

And a lot of Israelis today think in terms of individual success and then the capitalism and all sorts of things which are nothing to do with Zionism. But Zionism was very important. But what I'm saying is that the idea of transfer wasn't the core of Zionism. The idea of Zionism was to save the Jews who had been vastly persecuted

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

in Eastern Europe and incidentally in the Arab world, the Muslim world for centuries, and eventually ending up with the Holocaust, the idea of Zionism was to save the Jewish people by establishing a state or re-establishing a Jewish state on the ancient Jewish homeland. which is something the Arabs today even deny, that there were Jews in Palestine or the land of Israel 2,000 years ago.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

in Eastern Europe and incidentally in the Arab world, the Muslim world for centuries, and eventually ending up with the Holocaust, the idea of Zionism was to save the Jewish people by establishing a state or re-establishing a Jewish state on the ancient Jewish homeland. which is something the Arabs today even deny, that there were Jews in Palestine or the land of Israel 2,000 years ago.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

in Eastern Europe and incidentally in the Arab world, the Muslim world for centuries, and eventually ending up with the Holocaust, the idea of Zionism was to save the Jewish people by establishing a state or re-establishing a Jewish state on the ancient Jewish homeland. which is something the Arabs today even deny, that there were Jews in Palestine or the land of Israel 2,000 years ago.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

Arafat famously said, what temple was there on Temple Mount? Maybe it was in Nablus, which of course is nonsense. They had a strong connection for thousands of years to the land to which they wanted to return and returned there. They found that on the land lived hundreds of thousands of Arabs.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

Arafat famously said, what temple was there on Temple Mount? Maybe it was in Nablus, which of course is nonsense. They had a strong connection for thousands of years to the land to which they wanted to return and returned there. They found that on the land lived hundreds of thousands of Arabs.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

Arafat famously said, what temple was there on Temple Mount? Maybe it was in Nablus, which of course is nonsense. They had a strong connection for thousands of years to the land to which they wanted to return and returned there. They found that on the land lived hundreds of thousands of Arabs.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

And the question was how to accommodate the vision of a Jewish state in Palestine alongside the existence of these Arab masses living on, who were indigenous, in fact. to the land by that stage. And the idea of partition, because they couldn't live together because the Arabs didn't want to live together with the Jews.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

And the question was how to accommodate the vision of a Jewish state in Palestine alongside the existence of these Arab masses living on, who were indigenous, in fact. to the land by that stage. And the idea of partition, because they couldn't live together because the Arabs didn't want to live together with the Jews.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

And the question was how to accommodate the vision of a Jewish state in Palestine alongside the existence of these Arab masses living on, who were indigenous, in fact. to the land by that stage. And the idea of partition, because they couldn't live together because the Arabs didn't want to live together with the Jews.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

And I think the Jews also didn't want to live together in one state with Arabs in general. The idea of partition was the thing which... The Zionists accepted, okay, we can only get a small part of Palestine. The Arabs will get in 37, most of Palestine. In 1947, the ratios were changed, but we can live side by side with each other in a partitioned Palestine. And this was the essence of it.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

And I think the Jews also didn't want to live together in one state with Arabs in general. The idea of partition was the thing which... The Zionists accepted, okay, we can only get a small part of Palestine. The Arabs will get in 37, most of Palestine. In 1947, the ratios were changed, but we can live side by side with each other in a partitioned Palestine. And this was the essence of it.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

And I think the Jews also didn't want to live together in one state with Arabs in general. The idea of partition was the thing which... The Zionists accepted, okay, we can only get a small part of Palestine. The Arabs will get in 37, most of Palestine. In 1947, the ratios were changed, but we can live side by side with each other in a partitioned Palestine. And this was the essence of it.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

The idea of transfer... It was there, but it was never adopted as policy. But in 1947-48, the Arabs attacked, trying to destroy essentially the Jewish, the Zionist enterprise and the emerging Jewish state. And the reaction was a transfer in some way, not as policy, but this is what happened on the battlefield. And this is also what Ben-Gurion at some point began to want as well.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

The idea of transfer... It was there, but it was never adopted as policy. But in 1947-48, the Arabs attacked, trying to destroy essentially the Jewish, the Zionist enterprise and the emerging Jewish state. And the reaction was a transfer in some way, not as policy, but this is what happened on the battlefield. And this is also what Ben-Gurion at some point began to want as well.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

The idea of transfer... It was there, but it was never adopted as policy. But in 1947-48, the Arabs attacked, trying to destroy essentially the Jewish, the Zionist enterprise and the emerging Jewish state. And the reaction was a transfer in some way, not as policy, but this is what happened on the battlefield. And this is also what Ben-Gurion at some point began to want as well.