Steven Holloway

I felt quite validated personally that some of the things that we did, even an under-17 New Zealand football team or an All Whites team, they're not a million miles away from the concepts that the All Blacks had, just very different levels of resource.

So for me, it was cool to go, oh, okay.

And even at Melville, even at our local football club, it's like, oh, cool, the concepts that we...

That we have in there aren't, you know, super far away from the elite of the elite of the elite.

You just don't have the big beast behind you to it.

But, and it's a part of the, it's a part of like, we often see the 80 minutes on the field, but you don't see what happens behind the scenes.

So to understand a little part of that machine over 20 years too was cool.

Very, very cool.

And winning teams is his website if you want to find out more or lean into him for some work too.

I was really intimidated going into this because it was around AI and futures thinking, and I'm a little bit of a dinosaur perhaps in some of my – and I was like, oh, man, this is going to be way out of my depth.

But after speaking to the connections that she gave us, I was like, oh, this is all just about people.

It's all just about connecting people.

Yeah, I think the face of the workforce will look predominantly Māori and Pasifika in that time period as well.

I think by 2040, it'll be around 80%.

So, you know, understanding what these trends look like and then how we can utilise as a country

AI and technology to help that.

For me, the love heart stuff was really interesting, which is her new venture, which is about giving over 60s more skills because we, we prioritize, I guess, education up until working.

And then after retirement, it's sort of like, oh, well,

Thanks for your service.

Off you go.