Steven Holloway

I think this is one that... Have you used the TAB form guide function for this, for any of this research?

Because that is a helpful tool which I've been using recently.

How does that work?

You go to tab.co.nz, look at the form guide.

It kind of just helps you settle on your bets.

Okay.

Yeah.

And if you want to put a bet on R18, bet responsibly and head to tab.co.nz.

Yeah, it was epic.

And I like selfishly as a former team manager, and he won me over as soon as he walked in by recognizing me as a pair, which I was like, this is amazing.

Yeah.

But yeah, I'm part of that audience sub-segment that love behind the scenes about how organisations, particularly sporting ones, work and the things they used to do.

I felt quite validated personally that some of the things that we did, even an under-17 New Zealand football team or an All Whites team, they're not a million miles away from the concepts that the All Blacks had, just very different levels of resource.

So for me, it was cool to go, oh, okay.

And even at Melville, even at our local football club, it's like, oh, cool, the concepts that we...

That we have in there aren't, you know, super far away from the elite of the elite of the elite.

You just don't have the big beast behind you to it.

But, and it's a part of the, it's a part of like, we often see the 80 minutes on the field, but you don't see what happens behind the scenes.

So to understand a little part of that machine over 20 years too was cool.

Very, very cool.