Steven Rinella

Oh, I see.

Okay.

I got you.

I'd never heard this.

See, that's funny because my understanding of the story was one of the problems.

There was several, but one of the problems as well is they were trading the rod back and forth.

Yeah.

But when you do that kind of stuff, like, so if you, if the record's,

Sorry, let me approach this a different way.

If you go look at, back to the Boone and Crockett parallel, there's an aspect of this that I feel like would be interesting to you guys.

The Boone and Crockett parallel would be that they're interested in what we call a deadhead.

So if someone just finds, it could get hit by a damn train.

There's a place for that.

In the records.

Right.

Okay.

I think that a handful of the record-keeping organizations, when it comes to mammals, there's a place for, well, this was according to our fair chase rules, right?

So a deer, you know, if a guy spotlighted a deer at night and kills it and he goes to submit it, he gets busted by the game warden first.

Later, he's like, well, I'm still going to submit.

He's just out.