Steven Rinella

To take off a full season is a lot.

I will get mad.

But you're trying to start from a place of joy.

You're trying to start from a place... But what you said earlier, too, is you like gathering, but now you want to do it from your backyard.

That's why most people start...

A little more farming, a little more harvesting, a little more seasonal, which is what Chapman did himself.

So listen, I grew up in Boston, Massachusetts, but then I lived out in north central Massachusetts.

You know, if you go far enough west of Massachusetts, it gets real pretty.

Okay.

Yeah, before there.

Exactly.

Kind of like the Rust Belt of Massachusetts.

And that's what my first book's about.

It's called Dirtbag Massachusetts.

And I really love to write about juxtapositions.

I love about kind of wrestling with the ways in which things are contradictory.

And Massachusetts is a very rich state, but it still has very, very low income areas, one of which I grew up in.

Yeah, you guys grew up poor, or you grew up poor.

I grew up unhoused, which on paper, you would think those were kind of the worst years of my childhood, but I actually loved those years because I was surrounded by other adults.

I was part of this community in inner city Boston.