Steven Rinella

how to fish, and how to sustain himself while his brother was off looking for help.

And there's a story, a theory, that that begins part of Chapman's legend, which is that he was a friend to Native Americans because he always kind of felt a debt to the way that they helped out his brother.

I'm sorry, you asked and I'm really running with it.

I'm monologuing.

Let me know if you want to get a word in here sideways.

No, we're coming up on a favorite part of mine.

It was the only, I just want to set what, when he embarks out to the frontier of the time, which again, we think of the wild west as the west, but we are, we are talking before the Ohio state border.

100%.

And it was violence.

One of the parts of this book that I want to make so clear is not to jump quick to the philosophies behind it, but I understand that this country, we have our issues and that we have our arguments and we have our political differences.

But we must acknowledge how brutal things used to be.

And that's something that I love.

A lot of this book is about the history of Chapman.

A lot of it is also me just looking at the country at an eye level and the hospitality I meet along the way, the wonderful people that open up their homes to me along the way because I traveled where he traveled.

And I kind of did what he did.

I had a rule, which is I either sleep outside or I get invited to somebody's home.

And how much of this country works?

When you think about how much of this country functions, this is a vast land.

This is a huge place.

And when you look at it in the modern day versus, yeah, there was a time when this was a hugely dangerous situation that he was putting himself and Nathaniel in.