Steven Rinella

in order to cover expenses right now, but they were probably, and maybe I'm wrong.

I don't think I'm wrong.

I think that they were at the height of their powers, probably the most effective nonprofit organization in American history.

I cannot think of a rival in terms of just how effectively and tenaciously they defended second amendment rights.

Can you imagine if like the wildlife conservation movement,

had a organization of that power.

Part of the current split within the NRA is between, it's like the split within the Iranian regime.

It's a split between like the old guard and hardliners.

Right.

Right.

And so there's like Wayne Lopp, people that came up with Wayne Lopp here and like his vision, like his mandate.

I'm not saying they like the spending issues, but like that vision, it's like rigid, take no prisoners, non-negotiable, defend Second Amendment rights to all offense, right?

That want that, and there's a version that wants a...

there's a faction that wants a softer version more well of general public opinion and they're, and they're duking it out.

Yeah.

But yeah, they were, I mean, bar none, like I challenged someone to think of a, of a nonprofit that, that defended its core mission as effectively as the NRA.

Like I used to have, this is the crazy part back in these days,

They would come after, they would come, not just enemies, they'd come after you for not being friendly enough.

I used to have people within this come after me because I wasn't like, I'm like, I make a show where you run around with guns, but I somehow wasn't like pro-gun.

That's all I ever do is play with guns, but I wasn't pro-gun.