Steven Zuber

And then even Yudkowsky said that he didn't like how we kind of back Terry into a corner, how we had to solve the final exam.

Yudkowsky wasn't happy with that.

He talked about that when we did our wrap up on We Want More.

that like he only had to end it that way because he'd opened it that way and because he didn't get to use any of the things that he really like long story short but I guess I'm saying is like I can come away from methods loving it and then read this critique and like yeah I agree with all these things and I guess these were all weaknesses and yet I still love it and so I'm kind of just okay with that it just tells me that not every story needs to have this like you know a lot of good stories have good character arcs

And a lot of them don't.

I'm sure it's there if you squint, but do any of the surviving Fellowship members have a character arc in the Fellowship of the Ring?

like you know Gimli's a little less racist you know Aragorn believes himself a little more but Aragorn and Frodo definitely do Frodo kind of becomes just a I mean that is what a character arc is becoming a better version of the person you were but like his was more of just like a downward arc into you know

Valid.

But I will say that I think that characters can find things and grow along the way, but not have a fundamental character growth be the point of their story.

and so like you know does harry radically transform i think he does by the end but the thing is all you know and i get so it could be kind of cheap is like well his big transformation is realizing that he needs to be you know even better at what he's already good at it's like well yeah

But how is that different than most people's growth stories?

You're right.

I guess I was going by what was in the text verbatim, like where he says, I need to up the level of my game.

And him kind of taking a backseat to heroing, but that's not really character arc.

That's more plot.

Wonderful.

All right, then we'll dive in after one sentence, side note, which is that I listened to this.

I read it back a month ago, and then I listened to it today from Ask Who's AI articles feed.

And the segments that were quotes from the book were done in the robot Inyash Brodsky voice.

And it was perfectly good, but it was not voice acted.