Steven

Is there guilt associated with them in particular? No.

Because you left prison after, jail after 13-odd years, and you were 43 years old. You left.

Because you left prison after, jail after 13-odd years, and you were 43 years old. You left.

So you stepped out the door at 44 years old, and you went back home. Yes. Right? Yeah. To their house. To their house, yeah.

So you stepped out the door at 44 years old, and you went back home. Yes. Right? Yeah. To their house. To their house, yeah.

Your mum and your dad.

Your mum and your dad.

Did you want to go back to prison? Yes. When you came out?

Did you want to go back to prison? Yes. When you came out?

Because people talk about being institutionalized where prison becomes home and comfort and familiarity.

Because people talk about being institutionalized where prison becomes home and comfort and familiarity.

Was that the case for you? Yes.

Was that the case for you? Yes.

You tried to get a job as a handyman thereafter. Eventually, you go on to be approached to make a documentary about your life called The 7-5 Documentary, which explains your life in more detail and everything that happened. And the documentary was centering on the Mullen Commission, which was a commission set up in New York by the mayor at the time to assess the extent of corruption in the NYPD.

You tried to get a job as a handyman thereafter. Eventually, you go on to be approached to make a documentary about your life called The 7-5 Documentary, which explains your life in more detail and everything that happened. And the documentary was centering on the Mullen Commission, which was a commission set up in New York by the mayor at the time to assess the extent of corruption in the NYPD.

Correct. And before you were arrested, there were 16 complaints that had been made against you in the years to the Internal Affairs Bureau. You didn't provide any names at the Mullen Commission. You said at the time, if I speak before your commission, a lot of cops are going to commit suicide. Yes, that's correct. And during those hearings at that commission, you admitted to hundreds of crimes.

Correct. And before you were arrested, there were 16 complaints that had been made against you in the years to the Internal Affairs Bureau. You didn't provide any names at the Mullen Commission. You said at the time, if I speak before your commission, a lot of cops are going to commit suicide. Yes, that's correct. And during those hearings at that commission, you admitted to hundreds of crimes.

But later, you said it's probably more like thousands, and you explained the context of that. Correct. And in that commission, you admitted that both police and drug dealers were your employees. And as a result of this commission, 200 officers were arrested for drug trafficking. Correct.

But later, you said it's probably more like thousands, and you explained the context of that. Correct. And in that commission, you admitted that both police and drug dealers were your employees. And as a result of this commission, 200 officers were arrested for drug trafficking. Correct.

So that commission was a huge moment back in 1992 where things really... The commission actually took place in 93, but yes, in association to my arrest, yes.