Steven

What, what does that feeling teach you?

What, what does that feeling teach you?

And you got bullied. in school, right? Was it sixth grade that you got bullied or was it sometime thereafter?

And you got bullied. in school, right? Was it sixth grade that you got bullied or was it sometime thereafter?

Why?

Why?

Were you confident?

Were you confident?

I guess that's a principle as well of many of the people that I meet like you is that they're okay with pushing against convention. And, you know, certain moments in your life you make these decisions which one would say are contrarian bets. I can see them all over your story, but... Clearly that was something innate in you from a fairly young age as you look back.

I guess that's a principle as well of many of the people that I meet like you is that they're okay with pushing against convention. And, you know, certain moments in your life you make these decisions which one would say are contrarian bets. I can see them all over your story, but... Clearly that was something innate in you from a fairly young age as you look back.

It's a really interesting time, I think, to be a CEO generally because I think even 10, 15 years ago, CEOs of major companies that so many people use and love weren't doing podcasts. They would maybe release press releases and their marketing team would kind of run the comms. But there's been this almost big shift towards leadership transparency.

It's a really interesting time, I think, to be a CEO generally because I think even 10, 15 years ago, CEOs of major companies that so many people use and love weren't doing podcasts. They would maybe release press releases and their marketing team would kind of run the comms. But there's been this almost big shift towards leadership transparency.

Now our leaders are like expected to be glass boxes.

Now our leaders are like expected to be glass boxes.

So you went off to university. You went to Stanford University, which is an incredible university. And you went to ultimately try and pursue product design at Stanford. Why did you choose product design at that stage in your life? What was it that was calling you about that course?

So you went off to university. You went to Stanford University, which is an incredible university. And you went to ultimately try and pursue product design at Stanford. Why did you choose product design at that stage in your life? What was it that was calling you about that course?

What is product design for someone like me that has no idea what they teach in such a course? Is it because my head says designing physical products?

What is product design for someone like me that has no idea what they teach in such a course? Is it because my head says designing physical products?

Did you learn entrepreneurship through this time as well? Because I think in your sophomore year, you took a class on entrepreneurship in venture capital, right?

Did you learn entrepreneurship through this time as well? Because I think in your sophomore year, you took a class on entrepreneurship in venture capital, right?