Steven

It sounds like Trump wants to buy it. which was a very interesting suggestion. And it's worrying because it sets a bit of a precedence that potentially an app like Snapchat, the UK might decide, listen, we don't know if we can trust you because you're an American. So we want to buy the UK version in order for you to have Snapchat be in the UK. That could set a worrying precedence around the world.

Snapchat eventually goes public. Running a public company is difficult, to say the least, because the share price can go up and down really irrespective of what you're doing and what you're building. And it's really a reflection of the broader market, people's emotions and vibes. But you have to manage that as a CEO. Not easy, I imagine.

Snapchat eventually goes public. Running a public company is difficult, to say the least, because the share price can go up and down really irrespective of what you're doing and what you're building. And it's really a reflection of the broader market, people's emotions and vibes. But you have to manage that as a CEO. Not easy, I imagine.

When I think about sitting in your shoes or sitting in your seat, I think about all the things you could do. As a public company, I think you could do anything. You could go after any game. And at some point, as you kind of said there when you used the word painfully, you're going to have to make a decision to focus on something.

When I think about sitting in your shoes or sitting in your seat, I think about all the things you could do. As a public company, I think you could do anything. You could go after any game. And at some point, as you kind of said there when you used the word painfully, you're going to have to make a decision to focus on something.

And even at the level I'm at with the businesses I run and so on, the hardest thing for me is, especially when you're somewhat creative, et cetera, is to pick something. And to say no to everything else. And I've looked at your philosophy and I know saying no and focus is so central to your sort of leadership style, but also how you think as an entrepreneur.

And even at the level I'm at with the businesses I run and so on, the hardest thing for me is, especially when you're somewhat creative, et cetera, is to pick something. And to say no to everything else. And I've looked at your philosophy and I know saying no and focus is so central to your sort of leadership style, but also how you think as an entrepreneur.

Tell me about those painful moments where you had to kill something that you didn't want to kill.

Tell me about those painful moments where you had to kill something that you didn't want to kill.

So how do you think about what to go after? There's all these new technologies. There's these buzzwords. There's AI now. There's... there's VR, there's headsets, there's wearables, there's all these things. How do you decide what bet is your bet?

So how do you think about what to go after? There's all these new technologies. There's these buzzwords. There's AI now. There's... there's VR, there's headsets, there's wearables, there's all these things. How do you decide what bet is your bet?

And you also don't know the time horizon for when the world will sufficiently change in the direction that your bet has been placed. I think about Google Glass, which was, I don't even know when, it was like a decade ago that people were saying, okay, we're going to be wearing glasses and Google had this Google Glass thing and it just seemed to like vanish and disappear.

And you also don't know the time horizon for when the world will sufficiently change in the direction that your bet has been placed. I think about Google Glass, which was, I don't even know when, it was like a decade ago that people were saying, okay, we're going to be wearing glasses and Google had this Google Glass thing and it just seemed to like vanish and disappear.

And then I think about when Meta bought Oculus and we thought, okay, no, so this is now when everyone's going to be wearing VR headsets and it's still kind of not really happened. So you could make a bet, you could be right, but you could be 15 years off.

And then I think about when Meta bought Oculus and we thought, okay, no, so this is now when everyone's going to be wearing VR headsets and it's still kind of not really happened. So you could make a bet, you could be right, but you could be 15 years off.

And Meta launched the Ray-Ban ones, which I've heard about. I think I watched the video of it, which seemed to be, again, copying Snapchats.

And Meta launched the Ray-Ban ones, which I've heard about. I think I watched the video of it, which seemed to be, again, copying Snapchats.

Artificial intelligence has become, I mean, the most talked about technology over the last couple of years, as it's, in many respects, thanks to ChatGPT. How are you... thinking about the future of artificial intelligence in terms of how it's going to fundamentally change human connection. You've got four boys.

Artificial intelligence has become, I mean, the most talked about technology over the last couple of years, as it's, in many respects, thanks to ChatGPT. How are you... thinking about the future of artificial intelligence in terms of how it's going to fundamentally change human connection. You've got four boys.

You must be thinking about, you know, we talked about earlier, the kind of jobs that are going to exist in the future. There's a big narrative saying that knowledge jobs like lawyer and accountant aren't going to be the same. In fact, even when you think about how your kids are going to be educated, your youngest child is one years old.