Steven

One of the things I think a lot about is kind of dovetails into this a little bit because I was referencing how we can sometimes be our own worst enemies and doubt ourselves away from like finding the truly exceptional person. So we end up hiring our friends.

One of the things I think a lot about is kind of dovetails into this a little bit because I was referencing how we can sometimes be our own worst enemies and doubt ourselves away from like finding the truly exceptional person. So we end up hiring our friends.

No, I was 18 and I, they weren't actually friends, but they weren't qualified. I just met them at like, I met one guy at a Prada store and I was like, you can be my account manager. And then I met some guy at like a rap battle and I was like, you should be my marketing director.

No, I was 18 and I, they weren't actually friends, but they weren't qualified. I just met them at like, I met one guy at a Prada store and I was like, you can be my account manager. And then I met some guy at like a rap battle and I was like, you should be my marketing director.

No rigor in deciding.

No rigor in deciding.

How do you think about prejudice, Emma? What I really mean here is being counted out before you walk in the room. So people hear that you're, it might be a woman or something else, and you feel that they're not taking you seriously. Has that happened in your career as a black person, as a woman, as anything that puts you in the minority as it relates to the accomplishments you've made?

How do you think about prejudice, Emma? What I really mean here is being counted out before you walk in the room. So people hear that you're, it might be a woman or something else, and you feel that they're not taking you seriously. Has that happened in your career as a black person, as a woman, as anything that puts you in the minority as it relates to the accomplishments you've made?

Do you know what? I'm going to give you a bit more context as to why I asked this.

Do you know what? I'm going to give you a bit more context as to why I asked this.

It's because one of my fears is with some people, they count themselves out before they walk in the room because prejudice is real. So they limit themselves. And there's a really great study they did many, many years ago. where they got a group of black people, I believe it was on a vocabulary test, just to talk about their race before they did the vocabulary test.

It's because one of my fears is with some people, they count themselves out before they walk in the room because prejudice is real. So they limit themselves. And there's a really great study they did many, many years ago. where they got a group of black people, I believe it was on a vocabulary test, just to talk about their race before they did the vocabulary test.

And if they got them to talk about their race before, their performance dropped. If they didn't get the group to talk about their race before in a different study, performance was the same. They did the same with women. They got them to identify their gender before doing a maths test. And because there's a stereotype...

And if they got them to talk about their race before, their performance dropped. If they didn't get the group to talk about their race before in a different study, performance was the same. They did the same with women. They got them to identify their gender before doing a maths test. And because there's a stereotype...

around maths, or at least there was at the time in women, women on that test would perform worse if they talked about their gender right before they did the test. But importantly, if they didn't, the results were the same as everybody else. So stereotype threat is a real thing. And the unpopular conversation is there could be ways that we're holding ourselves back

around maths, or at least there was at the time in women, women on that test would perform worse if they talked about their gender right before they did the test. But importantly, if they didn't, the results were the same as everybody else. So stereotype threat is a real thing. And the unpopular conversation is there could be ways that we're holding ourselves back

before we even walk into the room because of that stereotype threat. It could be age. It could be race. It could be gender. It could be anything else. It could be a disability. And I just wonder how you think about, like, you know, that.

before we even walk into the room because of that stereotype threat. It could be age. It could be race. It could be gender. It could be anything else. It could be a disability. And I just wonder how you think about, like, you know, that.

That's what I wanted to know. I wanted to understand that because it's something that I really want people to realise, which is like prejudice, yes, it's real, as you said, but it doesn't have to be your problem. It can remain theirs. Yeah. And I really worry that people will internalise other people's prejudice and then limit themselves.

That's what I wanted to know. I wanted to understand that because it's something that I really want people to realise, which is like prejudice, yes, it's real, as you said, but it doesn't have to be your problem. It can remain theirs. Yeah. And I really worry that people will internalise other people's prejudice and then limit themselves.