Steven

Being the first Black First Lady in the White House— The public scrutiny that that comes with is a unique type of scrutiny. Being the first lady anyway comes with tremendous scrutiny.

Craig, if that was my little sister, public scrutiny elevated to the highest office in the land, I'll ask you the question. How did you feel?

Craig, if that was my little sister, public scrutiny elevated to the highest office in the land, I'll ask you the question. How did you feel?

Because it's relentless. It is relentless. It's relentless. It is global. It is unfair.

Because it's relentless. It is relentless. It's relentless. It is global. It is unfair.

And yourself, how does one deal with such scrutiny? The scrutiny occurs for eight years as the public are at war with different opinions and ideas, and often the president is seen as the villain or the hero in that context, and the family is obviously impacted by that. But then even beyond the White House, it's relentless.

And yourself, how does one deal with such scrutiny? The scrutiny occurs for eight years as the public are at war with different opinions and ideas, and often the president is seen as the villain or the hero in that context, and the family is obviously impacted by that. But then even beyond the White House, it's relentless.

Is there a framework? Is there an underlying belief? Is there a set of values?

Is there a framework? Is there an underlying belief? Is there a set of values?

What did she give you that helped you through that journey of being thrust into the very, very, very highest mountain in public service? What role did she play? What force was she at that time for you both?

What did she give you that helped you through that journey of being thrust into the very, very, very highest mountain in public service? What role did she play? What force was she at that time for you both?

I can still see her in your face as you reflect.

I can still see her in your face as you reflect.

How did that loss impact the family? It's 2024, so it's fairly recent.

How did that loss impact the family? It's 2024, so it's fairly recent.

Have you processed the grief? Have you been able to?

Have you processed the grief? Have you been able to?

Permission. Yeah. I was watching the coverage over your decision, your decision to sort of take back some of your control and not go to Trump's inauguration. Is that one of those key moments in your life where you did take back control?

Permission. Yeah. I was watching the coverage over your decision, your decision to sort of take back some of your control and not go to Trump's inauguration. Is that one of those key moments in your life where you did take back control?

Absolutely. What was the thinking behind that decision?